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Offline InfiniteFaith

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Racial Mixing can lead to confusion...
« on: April 27, 2013, 09:46:00 PM »
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    Racial Mixing can lead to confusion...
    « Reply #1 on: April 27, 2013, 11:13:01 PM »
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  • And thus begins another 300+ page, Cathinfo thread about race mixing and race superiority.


    Offline poche

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    « Reply #2 on: April 27, 2013, 11:40:06 PM »
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  • It may surprise you to learn that it has been a tradition of the Catholic Church to approve of "race mixing." Look at the racial ambiguity that we see in Latin America. This is a result of a deliberate policy of the Catholic Church. The condemnation of the segregation of the conversos in Spain. The Catholic Church traditionally has disapproved of the policy of racial segregation.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 27, 2013, 11:57:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: poche
    It may surprise you to learn that it has been a tradition of the Catholic Church to approve of "race mixing." Look at the racial ambiguity that we see in Latin America. This is a result of a deliberate policy of the Catholic Church. The condemnation of the segregation of the conversos in Spain. The Catholic Church traditionally has disapproved of the policy of racial segregation.


    It's not that there is anything wrong with racial mixing. I think Bishop Williamson put it best, it just can lead to unnecessary problems and divisions in marriage.
    Please ignore ALL of my posts. I was naive during my time posting on this forum and didn’t know any better. I retract and deeply regret any and all uncharitable or erroneous statements I ever made here.

    Offline InfiniteFaith

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    « Reply #4 on: April 28, 2013, 12:11:28 AM »
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  • Following the cινιℓ ωαr...the Church tolerated segregation so that "Negroes could practice their Faith more freely".

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19560220&id=4lZIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uAAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7353,2377185


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    « Reply #5 on: April 28, 2013, 12:38:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: InfiniteFaith
    Following the cινιℓ ωαr...the Church tolerated segregation so that "Negroes could practice their Faith more freely".

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19560220&id=4lZIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uAAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7353,2377185

    That was a reluctant toleration.

    Offline Frances

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    « Reply #6 on: April 28, 2013, 12:47:21 AM »
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  • The prohibitions of the O.T. were for the Jєωs to preserve the true religion and the pure blood-line that there be 100% proof of Our Lord's identity.  The N.T. retains one of those prohibitions, to preserve the true religion. There is no longer a spiritual  reason to prohibit race mixing.  The prohibition on marriage to those of false religion, however, remains.  As those who practice the true religion grow ever scarcer, Catholics should be proportionately more concerned with gaining true converts, and with providing young people of marriagable age with a pool of suitable candidates.  
    It seems that neither is the case.  Those with the true faith spend more energy on fighting one another than on making true converts.  As for facilitating suitable partners for the young, they are too often left with the miserable choice between "conversion dating" or life-long single-hood.
    Bp. W.'s point is a practical, not  spiritual.  A mixed-race couple will encounter many difficulties of a social nature, as will their children.  These difficulties are not insurrmountable, whereas the problem resulting from a marriage of mixed religion has eternal consequences.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #7 on: April 28, 2013, 01:09:59 AM »
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  • Obviously, the roman catholic church will marry people of different races/ethnicities.  

    Our cultural elites, on the other hand, seem to be enthusiastically supporting race mixing and going out of their way to condemn any discouragement of it.  I do not believe that our cultural elites can be described as anything but anti-catholic.  So, I don't think they are doing this because they believe that Christ died for all mankind.  
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    « Reply #8 on: April 28, 2013, 01:51:59 AM »
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    Obviously, the roman catholic church will marry people of different races/ethnicities.  

    Our cultural elites, on the other hand, seem to be enthusiastically supporting race mixing and going out of their way to condemn any discouragement of it.  I do not believe that our cultural elites can be described as anything but anti-catholic.  So, I don't think they are doing this because they believe that Christ died for all mankind.  


    If two people of different races wanted to marry i don't see a legitimate reason to prevent that from happening nor shunning them. On the same note, I don't see anything wrong (given the circuмstances) to take measures that would slow the rate at which interracial relationships are occurring. This would include segregation and deportation of illegal immigrants. Segregation does not have to include outlaw of interracial marriages. Rather the right to segregate and to preserve geographical segregation. This does not inhibit a person of another race from practicing the Faith. Thus maintaining that eternal salvation is open to all of mankind. Tell me where I am wrong.

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    « Reply #9 on: April 28, 2013, 01:54:20 AM »
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  • Quote from: poche
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    Following the cινιℓ ωαr...the Church tolerated segregation so that "Negroes could practice their Faith more freely".

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1350&dat=19560220&id=4lZIAAAAIBAJ&sjid=uAAEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7353,2377185

    That was a reluctant toleration.


    Do you have evidence of that? To me it says that segregation is tolerable under certain circuмstances.

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    « Reply #10 on: April 28, 2013, 02:11:59 AM »
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  • Louisiana Catholics take stance against assimilation of races in 1957...

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1532&dat=19570806&id=Dbk9AAAAIBAJ&sjid=5ysMAAAAIBAJ&pg=4793,16260259


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    « Reply #11 on: April 28, 2013, 02:26:25 AM »
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  • Churches teaching on racial segregation...

    http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1798&dat=19600726&id=E_UeAAAAIBAJ&sjid=-ooEAAAAIBAJ&pg=7305,2388514


    *Note that the term "as we know it" is used when stating that segregation is morally wrong. If segregation were not being done to discriminate, establish superiority of one race, ect. then I can't see how "as we know it" would apply. In which case, I am not so sure that racial segregation is always a bad thing. Afterall, the Church tolerated it for various reasons after the cινιℓ ωαr. If the Church had an official stance on segregation always being morally wrong then I would change my position.

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    Racial Mixing can lead to confusion...
    « Reply #12 on: April 28, 2013, 03:57:09 AM »
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  • Quote from: InfiniteFaith
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    That was a reluctant toleration.

    Do you have evidence of that? To me it says that segregation is tolerable under certain circuмstances.

    The clue is in the words "toleration" and "tolerable".

    You don't merely "tolerate" something that you think is good! Toleration is reserved for things that are not ideal.

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    « Reply #13 on: April 28, 2013, 05:40:54 AM »
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  • My family has a long history of 'inter-racial' marriages that goes back for many centuries. I have been told & have noticed that this has never really a big problem in my family because Catholics are pretty much the same regardless of ethnicity - differences are usually superficial & relatively easy to overcome if both are devout Catholics. My ancestors held onto the Faith, even through difficulties & persecution because it was the one strong unifying element through the generations. In keeping with family tradition, I have married in like manner & found the few ethnic differences entertaining, but never a reason for unhappiness.
    The idea of segregation is distasteful. Arent we all of the same race - the human race? Arent we all descendants of Noah? :cool:

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    « Reply #14 on: April 28, 2013, 07:23:23 AM »
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  • What's wrong with racial mixing?  God approves of men and women marrying each other, and they are totally different species.