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« on: November 13, 2014, 09:53:01 AM »
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  • I can't believe this article was posted on CNN.com. Cryptogon (and then, CathInfo) has been advocating living simply as a way to "gouge out the beast's eyes and kick him in the groin" by starving him to death for years.

    I'm dead serious about this. All the protests in the world mean nothing compared to the power of Voluntary Simplicity. If enough people did this, everything would grind to a complete halt and JUST MAYBE we could avoid WW3.


    More than a decade ago, David Gross was just your typical Bay Area dude. He worked as a technical writer for a software company and made around $100,000. He enjoyed nice meals out, and he spent what time he could exploring, going to Burning Man, or watching old game shows on TV.
    Then the U.S. invaded Iraq, and Gross had what was probably a pretty typical Bay Area reaction: He didn't agree with the war. But for Gross, who is now 44, this opposition turned visceral. Even though he was going to anti-war protests and speaking about his opposition to the war publicly, he couldn't sleep. He had trouble looking at himself in the mirror.
    So he did the only thing that he thought might make him feel better: He went to his company's HR department and asked for a 75% pay cut, which would help him avoid paying federal taxes, and make sure his money wasn't going to fund the war.
    They said no.
    Rather than continue working, Gross embarked on a drastic lifestyle change. He quit his job, and started working as a freelancer, earning enough to make a modest living, but little enough to avoid paying federal income taxes. He now works about 500 hours a year. If he followed a 40-hour work week (which he doesn't), that would mean he toils about three months out of the year.
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    Around 43% of U.S. households pay no federal income tax, down from 49% in 2009, according to the Tax Policy Center. Usually, families don't pay the tax because they haven't earned enough money over the course of the year, and are struggling to pay the bills. Some work all year and still don't earn enough to pay taxes. Gross knows he's lucky to be able to make the choice to earn so little. But it's made his life better, he says.
    "I was cheating myself by spending all those hours at work," he told me recently, a decade after he started this lifestyle. "Now, I've learned the benefits of living a simpler lifestyle, having more free time, spending less time as a nine-to-five worker."
    Gross is one of dozens of young activists who have pared down their lives, shed their possessions and quit their day jobs to live more simply.
    There's Jacob Lund Fisker, who in 2010 published Early Retirement Extreme, which outlines a way to live more frugally (on around $7,000 a year), save money and get out of working a nine-to-five job. There's Rob Greenfield, an environmental activist with few possessions, who recently embarked on a cross-country bicycling tour eating only food he found in dumpsters and bathing with lake and river water. There's Glenn Morrissette, a forty-something composer who now travels around the country in a van to avoid "careless consumerism" and blogs about it.
    In another time, these guys might have been called hippies, a term that conjures images of naked, long-haired men living off the land. But these guys very much have their act together, and there are parts of the real world that they don't eschew. Morrissette, for instance, still writes music, and even orchestrated an episode of "Family Guy." Fisker and Greenfield both pursue interests that are part of "The Establishment," as the hippies might have called it. Fisker owns a house (he paid cash), races yachts, and invests in the stock market. Greenfield still runs a marketing company, and was in talks with Ryan Seacrest's production company to host a TV show.
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    When he first started his experiment, Gross assumed he'd have to live in poverty to avoid paying federal taxes. He thought about living in a fire spotting tower to pay the rent, and resigned himself to a life of rice and ramen, and "a path of deprivation, sacrifice, and renunciation in the service of my values," he wrote, in an essay on Shareable in 2012.
    But then he started doing some research. He knew he wanted to set aside some money for retirement, and that he could probably find enough contract work to earn as little or as much as he wanted, up to the salary he had been receiving.
    Because he wasn't married, had no dependents, and put a good chunk of his money -- about 40% -- into IRAs and health savings accounts, he discovered that he could make $36,000 a year and still avoid paying federal income taxes.
    After the money was taken out for the retirement and health savings, Gross was left with about $20,000 a year. None of that went to Uncle Sam.
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    It's still not a whole lot of money, especially in San Francisco, where the average rent in October was $3,413 a month, but Gross made it work. During the early years, he split a one-bedroom apartment with his then-girlfriend, and each paid $500. He started cooking meals from scratch and shopping at farmer's markets, and brewing his own beer (which also helped him avoid federal excise tax on alcoholic beverages). He started going to the library more and exchanging skills with people -- teaching them web programming if they'd teach him about meat curing. He bought stuff used, or got it on Freecycle.
    It wasn't as hard as he thought it would be, Gross says.
    "For most people, when your salary rises to a certain level, your expenses rise along with it," he said. "So when you imagine working not quite so much, you just think, 'Where would I get that money?' My recommendation -- start paring down, start simplifying, squirrel away that money that you're spending."
    The amount of money Americans can earn and still avoid paying income taxes varies by their deductions, marital status, and expenses. In 2014, for example, a single, non-blind person under 65 with no dependents, who didn't put money into retirement or health funds, could earn $10,150 without paying any income tax, according to the National War Tax Resistance Coordinating Committee. But, as Gross figured out, you can earn a lot more than 10 grand if you can take deductions for things like commuting expenses and tuition fees, which reduce your taxable income, or if you put money into health savings accounts and an IRA.
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    I was curious about Gross's financials, but even more curious about what he did all day. After all, even the richest Silicon Valley entrepreneur, who doesn't have to work another day of his life often gets restless. Even if he doesn't miss the money, doesn't Gross get bored?
    Nope.
    "I think I take that sort of pleasure from a variety of things now rather than a single thing," he said. "If there was one thing that excited me, I would still be able to do that, potentially, if it didn't earn any income, but as it is, I like having a diversity of interests, move from thing to thing as it strikes me."
    Gross now lives in San Luis Obispo, in central California, near his parents and with his brother, who works a more conventional job. He isn't married, and doesn't have kids -- and doesn't plan to have them. Instead, he spends his time writing and researching projects he's interested in: a book compiling the political writings of Henry David Thoreau, a compilation of works about American Quaker war tax resistance. He participates in a weekly discussion group modeled on Benjamin Franklin's Junto club for mutual improvement, and has a group of close friends he spends time with. He cooks a lot -- meals that he says are as good as the ones he would spend money on when he lived in San Francisco, in the days before he decided to change his lifestyle.
    "It seems that many things people give up to pursue their careers are more valuable than the money they gain in the trade," he wrote, in the essay about his choices. "And many are not for sale at any price: health, youth, and the time we need to pursue our dreams, learn new skills, volunteer for good causes."
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    Gross says that some years, he does his 500 hours of work in one big push, and others, he spreads it out over the course of 365 days, working a little here and there. When he's not working, he sometimes travels -- but by bus or train, rather than car or plane, and when he goes out of the country, to vacation in Mexico, for instance, he stays in hostels and eats cheaply.
    He's still active with the war tax resistance movement, and goes to its meetings, which occur twice a year. And he meets people all the time who are also seeking a more simple life. Some don't want to contribute to pollution or drive the oil economy, some want to spend more time with their families, some "don't want to be on the treadmill for a huge chunk of their lives," he said.
    And some, like Gross, just wanted to live a different way, which is not necessarily that strange. After all, it was Henry David Thoreau, whose works Gross compiled in his free time, who went to live in a cabin in the woods of Walden Pond in 1845, spending just $28 for a home and some land on which he could grow his own food.
    "The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation. What is called resignation is confirmed desperation," Thoreau wrote. "Most of the luxuries, and many of the so-called comforts of life, are not only not indispensable, but positive hindrances to the elevation of mankind."
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    « Reply #1 on: November 13, 2014, 12:08:29 PM »
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  • None of these people have half a dozen to a dozen children I assume.

    I agree, that for a single person working 500 hours per year makes a great deal of sense.  What a batchelor wants to work long hours I don't understand.  They must lack imagination.  There is a big world out there.

    I probably work 700-800 myself and spend the rest of the time (most of my waking hours) managing the family.


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    « Reply #2 on: November 13, 2014, 12:14:40 PM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
    None of these people have half a dozen to a dozen children I assume.

    I agree, that for a single person working 500 hours per year makes a great deal of sense.  What a batchelor wants to work long hours I don't understand.  They must lack imagination.  There is a big world out there.

    I probably work 700-800 myself and spend the rest of the time (most of my waking hours) managing the family.


    The point is that "500 hours a year" is not a set-in-stone amount.

    If your family is larger, the number needs to be higher.
    If your rate of pay is higher, the number of hours can be lower.
    If you live an extremely frugal and/or debt-free lifestyle that number can be lower.

    And so forth.

    The idea is: get more out of life than just making as much $$$ as possible. Money gets taxed. Spending time with your family, building up the Church, etc. does not.

    And the best things in life are free.
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    « Reply #3 on: November 13, 2014, 12:56:19 PM »
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  • I certainly agree that in an environment where you can pay 50% tax and then because you are working such long hours need to pay for tutors, maintenance men etc, you would probably be better off incorporating and working from home.

    The big killer for the US citizens who work for me is healthcare costs.  One of my people in San Francisco pays well over $14,000 per year in insurance just for herself.  Luckily she is making around $160k.  But after all her taxes and what not she would be about $3000 per month better off living in the UK.  

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    « Reply #4 on: November 13, 2014, 07:02:54 PM »
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    The point is that "500 hours a year" is not a set-in-stone amount.

    If you live an extremely frugal and/or debt-free lifestyle that number can be lower.

    And the best things in life are free.


    The problem with an "extremely frugal lifestyle" is when you suddenly get a large unexpected utility bill.

    Or you get water runoff damage from a neighbour and can't afford the legal fees to fight it.

    Perhaps it makes sense for a Catholic, where possible, to have a $10,000 "rainy day fund" and work enough hours to keep it topped up.  To be one's own lender of last resort.

    That way you don't have to go to the money lenders or the welfare state's tit when a crisis happens.



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    « Reply #5 on: November 13, 2014, 07:20:55 PM »
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  • At this point, WWIII seems unavoidable, unless the US and Europe decide to peacefully submit to China and Russia.  Even then, the global scale of power is shifting.  Livelihoods of hundreds of millions of people are in the balance.  These issues are scarcely ever decided but by war.

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  • The U.S. could return to a less interventionist Reagan style approach to Russia, as described by Pat Buchanan, which could ratchet down this tension, but I am not hopeful.  

    It seems to me that the powers that be seem intent on pushing Russia's buttons, leading to further aggressive acts by Russia.  The end result will inevitably be war, and in my opinion, we will be the losers.
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    « Reply #7 on: November 13, 2014, 07:56:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ambrose
    The U.S. could return to a less interventionist Reagan style approach to Russia, as described by Pat Buchanan, which could ratchet down this tension, but I am not hopeful.

    I like Pat Buchanan as far as political figures go. But if he supports something it is likely that our country's leaders will do the opposite.
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    At this point, WWIII seems unavoidable, unless the US and Europe decide to peacefully submit to China and Russia.  Even then, the global scale of power is shifting.  Livelihoods of hundreds of millions of people are in the balance.  These issues are scarcely ever decided but by war.


    May I ask what you believe the issue is that would require a war to resolve?
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    « Reply #9 on: November 14, 2014, 12:16:06 PM »
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    At this point, WWIII seems unavoidable, unless the US and Europe decide to peacefully submit to China and Russia.  Even then, the global scale of power is shifting.  Livelihoods of hundreds of millions of people are in the balance.  These issues are scarcely ever decided but by war.


    May I ask what you believe the issue is that would require a war to resolve?


    Sure, Pacific naval bases for the Chinese navy, control of the sea lanes that make international liberal commerce a possibility, fossil-fuel resources (coal and natural gas) as oil becomes depleted, and the ability of countries like China and Russia to openly disregard all UN conventions once China's GDP is firmly higher than the US.  China will use its commercial power to court new friends into its sphere of influence and will use its then much larger blue-water navy to keep the sea lanes that maintain its economy in the friendly conditions to which they are now accustomed.  This would likewise require them to purchase or acquire new lands at strategic locations as bases in the Pacific and Indian oceans.  The most important location would of course be the Strait of Malacca, and then perhaps the Gulf of Aden or else passage around Cape Good Hope.

    Meanwhile, if oil becomes depleted by 2050, as almost all projections from international and US energy agencies project it will, Russia's vast natural gas and coal reserves will increase that country's wealth and power immensely.  This is even more so the case when we consider Russia's iron ore reserves, which are the largest in the world after Australia and Brazil.  Iron ore and oil are the principal factors of modern economic production.  The only thing more important would be food (which currently relies heavily on petroleum for its production and transportation).  The thing that would immediately replace oil for industrial applications is coal, of which Russia has some two hundred years of reserves on hand, while China has fifty years of the same (assuming current consumption levels, which would obviously not maintain; either China and Russia would limit coal to industries vital to national defence or they would sell it on the open market for incredibly high prices).

    Now, Pakistan has a very large coal deposit in the Thar Desert (150 million tonnes) that it could exploit, whereas India has the fifth largest iron ore reserves in the world.  Even so, neither of those are king-making resources and they will likely be eaten up by the bigger fish somehow, namely China or Russia.  There could be friction there, and that could start war (the Thar Desert is one the Indian border).  One of the two countries could perhaps be courted into the Russo-Chinese zone, however, or both of them.

    China and Russia could adapt to these challenges because of their streamlined distribution of political power in a way that, say, the EU and the US could not.  I very much doubt that Brazil, India, and South Africa would resist the new power situation because of some deep-seated loyalty to "the West" or "human rights" or whatever.  If anything, we could put a lot of hope in the prospects of Brazil, if only the Catholics there would take political power and start having babies again (which is not an impossibility; Brazilians in general are pretty religious people by modern standards). Brazil has incredible mineral resources and just gained access to Pacific ports through the creation of a trans-Amazonian superhighway that crosses the Andes.  It doesn't currently have a navy of which to speak, but that could easily change as its economic power grows.  It lacks coal, though.

    Meanwhile, "the West" is soft, politically sclerotic, morally paralysed, and lacking in will.  To list other problems, antibiotic-resistant diseases are growing, there is an economic malaise in the Western service-based economies, political correctness is now initiating the persecution of Christians, the Judaeo-Masons seized the Vatican, and our countries are being inundated with undesirable immigrants from sub-Saharan Africa and Mohammedan countries as we face demographic decline amongst our own peoples.  China is more vulnerable economically than Russia is, but if it could somehow survive through a pandemic and economic depression (which both seem likely within the next fifteen years) it will be the center of the global economy.

    That being said, there isn't enough coal to go around to keep any global economy like there has been in the past one hundred years running.  Production will be scaled back and transportation will become far more expensive.  Luxury products and food, which will increase in price, will most likely be the few things that would justify vast shipping fleets besides metals, but after a while they too will become prohibitively expensive to move in anything akin to current volumes.  Hundreds of millions will starve to death as a result.

    War will result from these tensions; I think you can bank on it.  There is no missile shield that can protect the US and EU from hypersonic missiles.  All of the "West's" strengths and advantages are being systematically eroded.  The question is when the "global South" and Eurasian Union countries will assume power, not if.  It could all theoretically be stopped, but not under banners with the slogans of Liberalism that were carried into Europe by the Allies and used as the basis for post-war alliances and international law.  

    Let's say that nukes were sent out as a last resort.  Why ?  Mutually-assured destruction is a reality.  What point is there in killing everybody rather than trying to find accommodation in a changed world ?

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    « Reply #10 on: November 14, 2014, 02:29:35 PM »
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    So he did the only thing that he thought might make him feel better: He went to his company's HR department and asked for a 75% pay cut, which would help him avoid paying federal taxes, and make sure his money wasn't going to fund the war.
    They said no.
    Rather than continue working, Gross embarked on a drastic lifestyle change. He quit his job, and started working as a freelancer, earning enough to make a modest living, but little enough to avoid paying federal income taxes.


    Taxpayer funded abortion doesn't cause these ghouls to lose ten seconds worth of sleep, nah, not that.  3,000 or more infants are murdered at the payed request of their own mother's every day and that bothers them not, and if you brought this to their attention, they would probably view is as a progressive right to be cherished.











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    « Reply #11 on: November 14, 2014, 02:48:56 PM »
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    So he did the only thing that he thought might make him feel better: He went to his company's HR department and asked for a 75% pay cut, which would help him avoid paying federal taxes, and make sure his money wasn't going to fund the war.
    They said no.
    Rather than continue working, Gross embarked on a drastic lifestyle change. He quit his job, and started working as a freelancer, earning enough to make a modest living, but little enough to avoid paying federal income taxes.


    Taxpayer funded abortion doesn't cause these ghouls to lose ten seconds worth of sleep, nah, not that.  3,000 or more infants are murdered at the payed request of their own mother's every day and that bothers them not, and if you brought this to their attention, they would probably view is as a progressive right to be cherished.



    Having said that, I do think the idea of not contributing financially to Leviathon is a good idea and it's why I would like to see the U.S. as it currently exists break apart into over a dozen or two dozen smaller republics independent of each other.  


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    « Reply #12 on: November 14, 2014, 08:23:47 PM »
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  • If I may,

    In the US, income taxes are not keeping the NWO running. Not even close. Even at 100% income tax the country cannot pay the debt. If we all stopped paying taxes the banksters still have trillions and could keep things moving for decades, all the while punishing us for the inconvenience. No, the purpose of the American progressive income tax is to separate the middle class from its money, pure and simple. The working classes are easy to fool, simply promise them some one else's money and even if a few don't go along with you, they don't have much to resist with. How many working class people are ever elected to state governments much less on the federal level? The ultra rich of course participate in some degree with the NWO and those few who resist are punished. The only real and uncontrollable demographic in the US is those small businessmen and professionals. They are by nature a more aggressive, problem solving,  more independent agent with a fair amount of material assets at their disposal. The communist plan to deal with the evil bourgeois is pressure from the top down and from the bottom up. The progressive income tax is part of the pressure down from the behind the scenes oligarchy to destroy your material ability to resist them, and to quit working only helps them. You would be better off trying to barter your work or work for cash to try to keep as low a tax liability as possible.

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  • The reason I say a war is unavoidable is because countries have interests and they only tolerate being unable to reach their goals because they cannot do otherwise.  As soon as an interest can be advanced, any country will make the moves to advance it.  In this case, Russia and China don't want their domestic policies or their expansion of their power over their neighbours to be criticised or hindered by the US and EU; nor do they want sanctions imposed upon themselves, nor do they want to be encircled with missile shields and military bases in neighbouring countries, etc.  

    As soon as China and Russia can find a way to break away from these restrictions, they will.  The US can either allow it -- which will cause loss of prestige and global soft power and result in its economic and treaty agreements becoming completely irrelevant -- or it can challenge China and Russia.  When the British Empire was superseded by the US, little changed in the global balance of power because the two countries had similar ruling philosophies and foreign policy objectives.  The transfer was thus friendly and led to the so-called "special relationship."  China and Russia, by contrast, are direct opponents of the Anglo-American grand strategy.  Given what we know about the US and the Masonic governments in the EU, what do you think is most likely ?