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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Questions on sex and specifically the role of procreation
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2018, 12:35:28 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on October 16, 2018, 10:53:57 AM
The “good motives” had to be agreed to by the couple’s priest and they couldn’t use “the rhythm method” (the pre-V2 term) without permission or they would commit sin.
What are these good motives for using NFP?
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Offline Last Tradhican

Re: Questions on sex and specifically the role of procreation
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2018, 12:38:02 PM »
Quote from: Mithrandylan on October 16, 2018, 10:56:07 AM
Sorry Tradicahan, what I said was redundant.  I meant to say that (Pope Pius XII said) the mere fact that periodic continence is not an offense against the nature of the marital act is not enough to "guarantee the rectitude of intention and the unobjectionable morality of the motives themselves" (from his address to the Italian Midwives).  In other words it isn't enough that periodic continence isn't contraceptive-- its lawful use depends on a serious and legitimate reason, since there is a positive precept in marriage to multiply.
Very few people will understand this language, it is not clear communication, you'll have to spell it out. I asked what are the "good" motives. 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Questions on sex and specifically the role of procreation
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2018, 12:38:22 PM »
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Under ordinary NO circuмstances can the primary end shouldn't be subjugated.  (As in the case of contraception)

But in extraordinary circuмstances, with serious reasons, couples may practice periodical abstinence. (because this isn't contraception).

Conclusion:  In the case of period abstinence, the primary purpose isn't subjugated, which is why it's allowed in extreme cases.
This is how Mithrandylan's excellent explanation affects your original statement.
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Re: Questions on sex and specifically the role of procreation
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2018, 12:42:59 PM »

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What are these good motives for using NFP?
There are no virtuous motives for using NFP, if that's what you're asking.  But there are "good" motives in the natural sense by using NFP (in extreme cases only).  For example, if a woman's life would be in danger by having a pregnancy, then IN THEORY, a priest could give permission to practice NFP FOR A SPECIFIC TIME, in coordination with a doctor, so that the couple would not sin against chastity.  In this case, the use of NFP could prevent death and mortal sin...only for a certain, specific time period.
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Offline Mithrandylan

Re: Questions on sex and specifically the role of procreation
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2018, 01:04:41 PM »
Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 16, 2018, 12:38:02 PM
Very few people will understand this language, it is not clear communication, you'll have to spell it out. I asked what are the "good" motives.
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There's no exhaustive list but in general this is what Pope Pius XII mentioned:
"Serious motives, such as those which not rarely arise from medical, eugenic, economic and social so-called “indications,” may exempt husband and wife from the obligatory, positive debt for a long period or even for the entire period of matrimonial life." http://www.papalencyclicals.net/pius12/p12midwives.htm
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Serious risk of death to the mother seems an obvious one.  Or, if the family would literally become homeless if another mouth needed to be fed.  As was mentioned earlier, it was not the sort of things couples could just "do"-- they would need to consult with their pastor so he could gauge their genuine need and also their disposition.  Putting off procreation because you need a new yacht or because you don't want to cut cable are obviously not legitimate reasons. 
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