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Offline ca246

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Questions about St. Joan of Arc
« on: March 08, 2020, 07:53:25 PM »
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  • I read that she launched an assault on Paris on the very Nativity of Mary (8 Sep), resisted during her arrest, and was only burnt after she continued to cross-dress in public. Could someone explain how Joan of Arc is a canonized saint if it is true that she was convicted of heresy under a legitimate, valid bishop and was guilty of cross dressing?


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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #1 on: March 08, 2020, 11:00:32 PM »
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  • During the trial, St Joan of Arc said that she felt that the fact that she wore men's clothes in someway protected her. 
    Also, it should be noted that her trial was declared by the Pope's legate to have been invalid. The English had already decided to put her to death. Her trial was just a formality.    


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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #2 on: March 09, 2020, 11:05:58 AM »
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  • Sounds like your reading material is questionable, at best.

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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #3 on: March 09, 2020, 10:50:11 PM »
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  • Sounds like your reading material is questionable, at best.
    St Joan of Arc is a special case involving a special holiness. She is not the norm. God sometimes calls the small and the unlikely to counfound the wicked and proud.   

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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #4 on: March 09, 2020, 11:12:45 PM »
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  • As for launching an attack on a Holy Day, there are quite a few on the calendar. You would have a hard time avoiding them while trying to campaign.

    Jesus did not violate the Sabbath by doing a good work; even though it scandalized the Pharisees.  

    St. Joan was acting on a Divine commission to liberate Paris and France; also a good work, although it required military force since the English would not go quietly.

    If she was trying to give battle, why would she not resist capture and arrest by her national and personal enemies?

    She was burnt primarily for the alleged crime of heresy. When she refused to deny her mystical experiences and Divine mission, she also returned to her militant male fashion choices.

    Since she was on a Divine mission to accomplish things usually done by men, she had to dress accordingly.

    She wore armor to protect herself in battle, and she wore male clothes to protect herself from the soldiers guarding her in the English prison, as well as other things like riding into battle. She did not "cross dress" for any perverse, or unseemly reasons.

    She was put through four, unjust show trials before she began to falter under the abuse and deception of her enemies. She finally agreed to demands to recant that she did not fully understand; but when she realized her mistake, she renewed her claims and male attire. In the years that followed, her family and the Church cleared her name and later canonized her.


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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #5 on: March 09, 2020, 11:23:23 PM »
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  • I read that she launched an assault on Paris on the very Nativity of Mary (8 Sep), resisted during her arrest, and was only burnt after she continued to cross-dress in public. Could someone explain how Joan of Arc is a canonized saint if it is true that she was convicted of heresy under a legitimate, valid bishop and was guilty of cross dressing?
    Because the Catholic Church says so. 
    Pope St. Pius X pray for us

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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #6 on: March 10, 2020, 12:01:42 AM »
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  • Thank you--how ever: IF I am correct, her canonisation may not be legal. There are several highly suspicious( questionable) events during the 1914 conclave that could mean the alleged election of the Modernist Della Chiesa is a fraud. That being the case, her status would be  stalled at the Beatification level...  :confused:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #7 on: March 10, 2020, 01:09:36 AM »
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  • Because the Catholic Church says so.
    According to the Vatican legate, those declarations were at a proceeding determined to be canonically invalid. Therefore that declaration is invalid.  


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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #8 on: March 10, 2020, 01:21:46 AM »
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  • St. Joan of Arc was a nationalist.

    Intercede for us, St. Joan of Arc.

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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #9 on: March 10, 2020, 06:20:00 PM »
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  • Thank you--how ever: IF I am correct, her canonisation may not be legal. There are several highly suspicious( questionable) events during the 1914 conclave that could mean the alleged election of the Modernist Della Chiesa is a fraud. That being the case, her status would be  stalled at the Beatification level...  :confused:

    So now it is sedevacantism all the way back to 1914. When does this garbage pit of sedevacantism end?

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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #10 on: March 10, 2020, 11:06:03 PM »
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  • Thank you--how ever: IF I am correct, her canonisation may not be legal. There are several highly suspicious( questionable) events during the 1914 conclave that could mean the alleged election of the Modernist Della Chiesa is a fraud. That being the case, her status would be  stalled at the Beatification level...  :confused:
    You have no authority to make that claim. She is a canonized saint By a valid pope. 60 years ago you would never be able to make such a claim as laymen weren’t permitted to speak with authority on church matters. 
    Pope St. Pius X pray for us


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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #11 on: March 12, 2020, 12:34:17 AM »
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  • Thanks for reply but have not made a claim to speak w/ authority :confused:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #12 on: March 12, 2020, 07:57:31 AM »
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  • My research led me to accept St Joan of Arc as the Saint who did battle with Freemassonry. In her book, the freemason Diana Vaughan tells us

    Joan of Arc, by means of a spiritual manifestation, did battle with three of Lucifer’s angelic demons troubling her because of her promise to a Catholic priest not to blaspheme the Blessed Virgin in any way ever again. This intervention, after much soul-searching, led her to convert to Catholicism.  

    For four years Diana Vaughan revealed the origin of modern Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and gave details of Lucifer’s activity within Palladism as well as the goings-on of named ‘Illuminati.’ Her disclosures were hailed in Rome as a great victory over Hell. St Therese of Lisieux hailed her conversion. The Pope’s Cardinal Vicar wrote to her saying her conversion was ‘one of the most magnificent triumphs of grace that he had ever witnessed,’ and sent, on behalf of the Pope himself, a ‘most special blessing.’ Another Catholic journal wrote: ‘Here we witness a struggle of epic proportions unknown in this world, “hand to hand” spiritual combat between the organised forces of Hell and a humble woman of God, raised up by Him for the task.’

    The masons did not challenge the details of Miss Vaughan’s facts, but tried only to distort them and to diminish or ruin the extent of their significance. Soon however they changed tactics and with diabolical intelligence put together an ingenious plan of attack. They decided to put out the successful rumour that the Diana Vaughan all had read about did not exist in reality. This story prompted Miss Vaughan to announce that she would show herself in public with Leo Taxil in Paris on April 19, 1897. By that fateful day however, Miss Vaughan had disappeared, and Taxil, obviously knowing she would not show, announced that Diana Vaughan was only a figment of his imagination. In one stroke of pure genius, for 99.9% believed him, all the revelations and papal encyclicals on Satan’s direct role in masonry became the object of doubt and even ridicule thereby losing their credibility. Thereafter Taxil’s ruse as Diana Vaughan is written up as one of greatest hoaxes in history, even in Catholic books. For the vast majority, whether inside or outside the Church, the matter had ended; the role of Satan in Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ was then seen as pure fiction. Never again did a pope condemn freemasonic Luciferianism and today it is as though Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ no longer poses an anti-Christian threat at all.

    The propaganda that Diana Vaughan and her revelations are fiction can be found today in Wikipedia, numerous websites, some Catholic Encyclopaedias and in many books such as Jasper Ridly’s The Freemasons; Robinson, London, 2000, p.225; Laurence Gardner’s The Shadow of Solomon; Harper Element, 2005, pp.245-6 and Lynn Picknett’s Lucifer, Robinson, 2005, p.239.

    Then came evidence that Diana Vaughan did exist and was found in the lists of Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ. But there was one pieve of evidence that was more interesting:

    Evidence of her existence was found in a church in Loigny in Northern France that Diana Vaughan had visited in secret in March 1897, one month before her set date for a public appearance.  To make a long story short, the parish priest of Loigny confirmed Diana Vaughan’s visit by means of a visual reproduction and also the signature she had left in his church’s log. It was not the name Diana Vaughan that she had signed, for anybody could have forged that signature, but Juvana Petroff, a mysterious name known only to her and the priest to whom it made sense. It was later revealed as her baptismal name that she took when taking her confession of faith in the Catholic Church.
        
    But more, as only God can arrange from eternity, this fateful day at Loigny happened to coincide with the five hundredth anniversary of the death of Joan of Arc, sworn enemy of the Devil and made a saint in 1933. 


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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #13 on: March 12, 2020, 11:48:29 AM »
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  • Unless i am mistaken, St Joan was Canonised under Benedict XV(15?)-- not Pius XI... :pray:
    There Is No Such Thing As 'Sede Vacantism'...
    nor is there such thing as a 'Feeneyite' or 'Feeneyism'

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    Re: Questions about St. Joan of Arc
    « Reply #14 on: March 12, 2020, 12:31:09 PM »
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  • Unless i am mistaken, St Joan was Canonised under Benedict XV(15?)-- not Pius XI... :pray:

    Yes, just checked up, it was Benedict XV in 1920.