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« on: August 10, 2010, 01:37:05 PM »
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    Hello Everybody,

    I hope You may help me to find the answers to some questions I have regarding the Scapular of St. Michael the Archangel.

    First of all, this is what You would find searching through the Internet:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scapular_of_St._Michael_the_Archangel

    Quote from: en.wikipedia.org
    The Scapular of St. Michael is a Roman Catholic devotional scapular associated with St. Michael, the Archangel.

    Pope Pius IX gave this scapular his blessing, but it was first formally approved under Pope Leo XIII, who sanctioned the Archconfraternity of the Scapular of St. Michael. Indulgences were approved by the Congregation of Indulgences in 1903. Each member of the confraternity is invested with the scapular.

    The form of this scapular is somewhat distinct, in that the two segments of cloth have the form of a small shield; one is made of blue and the other of black cloth, and one of the bands likewise is blue and the other black. Both portions of the scapular bear the well-known representation of the Archangel St. Michael slaying the dragon and the inscription "Quis ut Deus?" meaning Who is like God?, a translation of the Hebrew name of Michael (Mi "who", cha "like", el "god"). Pious tradition attributes these words to St. Michael, the Archangel and in art it is often used as the Archangel is portrayed slays Satan, asking this question scornfully.[1][2]

    Notes

       1. ^ Ann Ball, 2003, Encyclopedia of Catholic Devotions and Practices OSV Press ISBN 087973910X page 520
       2. ^ John F. Sullivan, 2009 The Externals of the Catholic Church ISBN 1113714085 page 202

    Sources

        * Catholic Encyclopedia [1]


    http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13508b.htm

    Quote from: newadvent.org
    The Scapular of St. Michael the Archangel

    While this scapular originated under Pius IX, who gave it his blessing, it was first formally approved under Leo XIII. In 1878 a confraternity in honour of St. Michael the Archangel was founded in the Church of St. Eustachius at Rome, and in the following year in the Church of Sant' Angelo in Pescheria (Sancti Angeli in foro Piscium). In 1880 Leo XIII raised it to the rank of an archconfraternity, which was expressly called the Archconfraternity of the Scapular of St. Michael. At first (1878) the confraternity received indulgences from Leo XIII for seven years; the summary of indulgences of the Pious Association of St. Michael was last approved for ever by a Decree of the Congregation of Indulgences, 28 March, 1903. The scapular is so associated with the confraternity that each member is invested with it. The formula for blessing and investing with the scapular, given in the Rituale Romanum was first approved by the Congregation of Rites on 23 August, 1883. In outward form this scapular is different from the others, inasmuch as the two segments of cloth have the form of a small shield; of these one is made of blue and the other of black cloth, and of the bands likewise one is blue and the other black. Both portions of the scapular bear the well-known representation of the Archangel St. Michael slaying the dragon and the inscription "Quis ut Deus".


    http://www.religionfacts.com/christianity/things/scapular.htm

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    #  The Scapular of St. Michael the Archangel

        * Form: In outward form this scapular is different from the others, inasmuch as the two segments of cloth have the form of a small shield; of these one is made of blue and the other of black cloth, and of the bands likewise one is blue and the other black. Both portions of the scapular bear the well-known representation of the Archangel St. Michael slaying the dragon and the inscription "Quis ut Deus".
        * Order: Archconfraternity of the Scapular of St. Michael
        * Origins: While this scapular originated under Pius IX, who gave it his blessing, it was first formally approved under Leo XIII. In 1878 a confraternity in honour of St. Michael the Archangel was founded in the Church of St. Eustachius at Rome, and in the following year in the Church of Sant' Angelo in Pescheria (Sancti Angeli in foro Piscium). In 1880 Leo XIII raised it to the rank of an archconfraternity, which was expressly called the Archconfraternity of the Scapular of St. Michael.
        * Use: The scapular is so associated with the confraternity that each member is invested with it.


    Like You see, I did my Homework, but I still have Questions, so here goes my First Question:

    Does the Arch Confraternity of the Scapular of St. Michael still exist today on those Churches from Rome, or anywhere else in the World?

    Cheers,

    DT.
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    « Reply #1 on: August 10, 2010, 11:31:54 PM »
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  • You may be able to get an answer to your question by contacting Opus Angelorem in Fatima, Portugal.  I probably miss-spelled that, sorry.

    I had my old letter right here in a pile of papers just today but can't find it :fryingpan: :fryingpan: :fryingpan: :fryingpan: :fryingpan:

    when it turns up I'll post the address.


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    « Reply #2 on: August 11, 2010, 03:17:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: Elizabeth
    You may be able to get an answer to your question by contacting Opus Angelorem in Fatima, Portugal.  I probably miss-spelled that, sorry.

    I had my old letter right here in a pile of papers just today but can't find it :fryingpan: :fryingpan: :fryingpan: :fryingpan: :fryingpan:

    when it turns up I'll post the address.


    Thanks, I will try to contact them.
    If an echo doesn't answer, when it hears a certain sound, then the beast is free to wander, but never seen around.

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    Questions about: Scapular of St. Michael the Archangel
    « Reply #3 on: August 16, 2010, 02:00:06 PM »
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  • Quote from: Elizabeth
    You may be able to get an answer to your question by contacting Opus Angelorem in Fatima, Portugal.  I probably miss-spelled that, sorry.

    I had my old letter right here in a pile of papers just today but can't find it :fryingpan: :fryingpan: :fryingpan: :fryingpan: :fryingpan:

    when it turns up I'll post the address.


    Hi Pal,

    I am not sure if I understood the name right, but I found this web site:

    Opus Angelorum
    http://opusangelorum.org/english.html

    About that Web Site, I found some very disturbing information:

    Opus Angelorum, An Old Satanic Heresy
    http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/OpusAngelorumSatanic.htm

    OPUS ANGELORUM - Satanism and Disobedience
    http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/Opus%20Angelorum.htm

    Did Rome stop Opus Angelorum?
    http://www.unitypublishing.com/Apparitions/OpusAngelorumMore.htm

    I do not want to divert the central topic from this thread, so if you or anybody else want to comment about "Opus Angelorum", please be kind enough not to discuss it on this thread.

    I am making this clarification because I want readers to know that the question I made has not been answered correctly yet.

    Thanks a lot for your Cooperation anyway.

    Cheers,

    DT.
    If an echo doesn't answer, when it hears a certain sound, then the beast is free to wander, but never seen around.

    Find all You need to know about the Scapular of Saint Michael the Archangel, on the Thread titled:
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    « Reply #4 on: August 17, 2010, 01:26:56 PM »
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  • YIKES!!!

    This is so weird, the piece of paper I was thinking of fell out of my prayer kneeler, so I thought I'd pass the info on to you, D. Thomas.

    Imagine my dismay at the fruits of your research!

    I have the Litany of the Holy Angels, copyright:Confraternity of the Guardian Angels
    Innsbruck, Austria

    Imprimi potest: Diocese Leiria-Fatima, Portugal - - 1987

    Missions office/Opus Sanctorum Angelorum
    Casa Regina Pacis/Rua do Anjo 5/2495 Fatima, Portugal

    So do I go outside and burn it or what?  




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    « Reply #5 on: August 17, 2010, 01:31:47 PM »
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  • I forgot to thank you very much, Doubting Thomas.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 17, 2010, 01:35:38 PM »
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  • Quote from: Elizabeth
    YIKES!!!

    This is so weird, the piece of paper I was thinking of fell out of my prayer kneeler, so I thought I'd pass the info on to you, D. Thomas.

    Imagine my dismay at the fruits of your research!

    I have the Litany of the Holy Angels, copyright:Confraternity of the Guardian Angels
    Innsbruck, Austria

    Imprimi potest: Diocese Leiria-Fatima, Portugal - - 1987

    Missions office/Opus Sanctorum Angelorum
    Casa Regina Pacis/Rua do Anjo 5/2495 Fatima, Portugal

    So do I go outside and burn it or what?  




    I have not reviewed in detail the complete information about that Web Site, but there was something that sounded off the alarm on me.

    I read that no person should consecrate himself/herself to the Guardian Angel.

    I will have a closer look, and I will open a new thread about it, or add the info to an existing related thread (if it already exists). Anyway, I'll post the link here, and send you a pm when I'm ready.
    If an echo doesn't answer, when it hears a certain sound, then the beast is free to wander, but never seen around.

    Find all You need to know about the Scapular of Saint Michael the Archangel, on the Thread titled:
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    « Reply #7 on: August 17, 2010, 07:39:36 PM »
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  • Nor have I read in detail--I'm almost afraid to do so.  I am sure we do not have a resident Mystical Theologian here at Cathinfo.




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    « Reply #8 on: August 18, 2010, 06:49:52 AM »
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    Nor have I read in detail--I'm almost afraid to do so.  I am sure we do not have a resident Mystical Theologian here at Cathinfo.




    Ok, there is a lot to read, but as far as I have read, OA should be avoided like the Plague.

    I opened this new thread in order to inform everybody (such a topic had not been posted before).

    Warning: Opus Angelorum, An Old Satanic Heresy
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=12385

    Now, let's keep this thread right on track.
    If an echo doesn't answer, when it hears a certain sound, then the beast is free to wander, but never seen around.

    Find all You need to know about the Scapular of Saint Michael the Archangel, on the Thread titled:
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    « Reply #9 on: August 30, 2010, 09:02:36 AM »
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    Does the Arch Confraternity of the Scapular of St. Michael still exist today on those Churches from Rome, or anywhere else in the World?


    I still do not know that, but I found some answers, here I will share all what I found out:

    #1. The Following are Pictures that I found on the Internet from the Scapular, so this is how the Scapular looks like:











    In addition to the Images I showed here, I also found other Images which did not meet the correct requirements, and that is the reason why I do not show them.


    #2. Since not all the Information on the Enyclopedias was clear enough for me, I tried to get some answers to some questions of mine through e-mail from several Sources from the Roman Catholic Church. Here I will list what were those Questions, and the Answers that I have found so far (unfortunately, not all of them have been answered yet).

    #A. How can a Catholic join the Archconfraternity of the Scapular of St. Michael?

    Answer: Any Catholic Priest can enroll any Catholic on this Scapular, there is no need to search for a Priest who belongs to this Archconfraternity, there is no need for the Priest to ask for Authorization from Rome (or anywhere else) because:

    "The Sacred Congregation of Rites ruled that any priest may bless the Scapular of St. Michael.  As for joining the archconfraternity, per its own constitution, no formal enrollment is required". (Mr. Louis J. Tofari, Assistant Editor & Webmaster from sspx.org; webmaster@sspx.org).

    All that is really needed for the Priest to do is to follow the Formulas for the Blessing and Investing of this Scapular, which appear on the Book of Blessings from the "Rituale Romanum" (or Roman Ritual).

    This Formula DOES NOT appear on the Version of the Roman Ritual that is Available online on the Following Link:

    http://www.sanctamissa.org/en/resources/books-1962/rituale-romanum/60-blessings-formerly-reserved-to-religious-orders.html

    But I am glad to say that it does appear on other Versions from the Roman Ritual. I say this because other Catholic Priests have confirmed to me that they found it on theirs.

    This means, if a Catholic Priest does not find it on his Version, he should search for it on another one, eventually he will find it because it has been there since 23 August, 1883.

    #B. Where can I find a Good Model, or Rules to follow in order to live an Honorable Life as a Michaelite?

    I still do not have the Answer to this Question, but I am guessing that St. Francis of Assisi could be a good guide because during his Lifetime he was known to be a Devotee to St. Michael.

    Of Course, I could be wrong, and if I am, please let me know.

    #C. What are the Indulgences from this Scapular?

    I still do not have the Answer to this Question, but I am guessing that the Private Revelation from the Portuguese Nun Antonia D'Astonaco may explain more Details about the Origin from this Scapular, its Promises, and Indulgences as well.

    Of Course, I could be wrong, and if I am, please let me know.


    #6. Important Warning about the Missinformation.

    It is obvious that nobody can have any Sacrament through the Internet, but the Internet is known to be a Paradise Island for Scammers. I found Web Sites that charge money for enrolling people with the Scapular of St. Michael (obviously a fake enrollment), here are the Details:

    http://www.societyofstmichael.org is a website from the Anglican Church that advertises itself as the "Confraternity of St. Michael".

    http://www.traditio.com/cnf.htm is a sedevacantist website that also advertises itself as the "Confraternity of St. Michael", and claims to have the authority to invest people with this Scapular.

    http://www.saint-mike.org is one of several websites from an internet scammer that uses the alias of: "Bro. Ignatius Mary", but is suspected to be a sex offender known as Richard Lee Collett Jr. Until a recent change on this site, he was also advertising his website as "Order of the Legion of St. Michael", and claiming that they had the authority to invest
    people with the Scapular of St. Michael the Archangel.

    In Summary: Nobody can get this Scapular through the Internet, just like nobody can Marry, get a Kid Baptized, or have Holy Communion through the Internet!


    Well, this is all what I found. I wish I would have found more about it, especially about Questions #B, and #C, but I guess what is written here should be enough for Priests and Lay Catholics to be better informed about this Devotion.

    Maybe I left something out, or made a mistake, please feel free to make comments, corrections, questions, etc...

    One Last Thing...

    If You speak Spanish, or want to inform a Spanish speaking Friend about this, here there are two Links where I posted more or less the same Information:

    Preguntas acerca de: Escapulario de San Miguel Arcángel
    http://www.encristiano.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=1481&sid=a68b365f0ff2b5ff395e2d381cbeed15

    Escapulario de San Miguel Arcangel
    http://www.es.catholic.net/foros/viewtopic.php?f=95&t=8865


    They will be welcome.


    Regards,


    DT.
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    « Reply #10 on: August 30, 2010, 09:16:43 AM »
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    #6. Important Warning about the Missinformation.

    It is obvious that nobody can have any Sacrament through the Internet, but the Internet is known to be a Paradise Island for Scammers. I found Web Sites that charge money for enrolling people with the Scapular of St. Michael (obviously a fake enrollment), here are the Details:


    http://www.traditio.com/cnf.htm is a sedevacantist website that also advertises itself as the "Confraternity of St. Michael", and claims to have the authority to invest people with this Scapular.



    DT.



    Hi DT,

    I clicked on that link you provided.

    Traditio says "No formal enrollment is required"

    And I could not find anything about Tradito charging money for enrolling people.


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    « Reply #11 on: August 30, 2010, 09:35:40 AM »
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    Hi DT,

    I clicked on that link you provided.

    Traditio says "No formal enrollment is required"

    And I could not find anything about Tradito charging money for enrolling people.


    The Point is that You must be in a Church, get down on your knees, and then a Priest will put it on your shoulders. That can not happen either by mail, or through the Internet.
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    « Reply #12 on: August 30, 2010, 08:36:50 PM »
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  • No worries. I was just pointing out that from what I saw it did not seem warranted to list Traditio under the heading that stated: Web Sites that charge money for enrolling people.

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  • Short Update: St. Michael's Scapular on Rituale Romanum


    Hi Everybody,


    I have a Short Update.

    These are two Editions from the Roman Ritual that for sure contain the Formulas for the Blessing and Investment with the Scapular of Saint Michael the Archangel:

    1. "English/Latin" Available on Volume II of Rev. Philip T. Weller's book on the Roman Ritual (Bruce Publishing, Milwaukee 1952).

    2. "Latin only" Available on a 1925 edition of the Ritual, reprinted by Benziger Brothers.


    If You can tell me about other Editions that for sure include them, I will share this Information with anyone interested. Thanks in Advance.


    Cheers,


    DT.
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    « Reply #14 on: September 03, 2010, 03:21:32 AM »
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  • I'd like to ask where did this Scapular originated from? Was this an apparition?