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Offline Luis7

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Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
« on: July 01, 2019, 04:02:48 AM »
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    • There is no Traditional Latin Mass near me, so is it better to skip the Novus Ordo mass and not receive the Eucharist, or go to mass so I can at least receive the Eucharist?
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    Offline Quo vadis Domine

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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #1 on: July 01, 2019, 04:26:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: Luis7 on July 01, 2019, 04:02:48 AM
    There is no Traditional Latin Mass near me, so is it better to skip the Novus Ordo mass and not receive the Eucharist, or go to mass so I can at least receive the Eucharist?
    Many people on this site, myself included, believe that the new “mass” is invalid so you don’t actually receive our Lord in the NO. I highly advise you avoid it and just read the mass for the Sunday and do some spiritual reading.
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    Offline Stubborn

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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #2 on: July 01, 2019, 05:45:56 AM »
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    • Whether valid or invalid, the new "mass" must be avoided - period.

    The commandment of God is to keep the day holy, attending the new "mass" for any reason disobeys this commandment. The commandment of the Church is to assist at the Mass on Sundays and Holy Days, it is therefore the duty of the Church to provide the Mass for you assist at. If the Church does not provide the Mass for you, then you are relieved from this obligation.

    Although we may receive communion daily, the Church binds us to receive communion once a year, so my advice is to wait until you are able to get to the True Mass, or plan ahead for a long trip at least once a year. In the mean time, I agree with what Quo vadis Domine said above, stay completely away from the new "mass" and just read the mass for the Sunday and do some spiritual reading, pray 15 decades of the rosary and/or whatever else you can do to keep the day holy.

    Here is an excellent book that deals with the subject of why we avoid the new "mass".


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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #3 on: July 01, 2019, 06:40:57 AM »
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    • You could also find a live stream Mass/watch Mass on YouTube. It doesn’t fulfill the Sunday obligation, from which you are dispensed, it doesn’t give the graces that assisting at Mass would give, but it’s a “better then nothing” option. You can follow along, learn the Mass and the prayers which the Church offers, hear good sermons, etc. Of course many saints have their homilies published, St Alphonse’s has a whole book of sermons for the whole year which is easily available and very worthwhile for spiritual reading. 
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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #4 on: July 01, 2019, 06:47:28 AM »
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    • Archbishop Lefebvre was very clear and succinct on attendance at the New Mass - here are only a few of his statements on this subject:


    “It must be understood immediately that we do not hold to the absurd idea that if the New Mass is valid, we are free to assist at it. The Church has always forbidden the faithful to assist at the Masses of heretics and schismatics even when they are valid. It is clear that no one can assist at sacrilegious Masses or at Masses which endanger our faith.…All these innovations are authorized. One can fairly say without exaggeration that most of these [new] Masses are sacrilegious acts which pervert the Faith by diminishing it. The de-sacralization is such that these Masses risk the loss of their supernatural character, their mysterium fidei; they would then be no more than acts of natural religion. These New Masses are not only incapable of fulfilling our Sunday obligation, but are such that we must apply to them the canonical rules which the Church customarily applies to communicatio in sacris with Orthodox Churches and Protestant sects.” (The New Mass and the Pope, November, 8, 1979)

    “Your perplexity takes perhaps the following form: may I assist at a sacrilegious Mass which is nevertheless valid, in the absence of any other, in order to satisfy my Sunday obligation? The answer is simple: these Masses cannot be the object of an obligation; we must moreover apply to them the rules of moral theology and Canon Law as regards the participation or the attendance at an action which endangers the faith or may be sacrilegious. The New Mass, even when said with piety and respect for the liturgical rules, is subject to the same reservations since it is impregnated with the spirit of Protestantism. It bears within it a poison harmful to the faith.” (An Open Letter to Confused Catholics, Ch. 4)

    “This Mass is poisoned, it is bad and it leads to the loss of faith little by little. We are clearly obliged to reject it.” (The Mass of All Times, p. 353)

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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #5 on: July 01, 2019, 08:10:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Luis7 on July 01, 2019, 04:02:48 AM
    There is no Traditional Latin Mass near me, so is it better to skip the Novus Ordo mass and not receive the Eucharist, or go to mass so I can at least receive the Eucharist?
    Both Mgr. Williamson and Fr Pfeiffer have said that in this situation it is ok to go to the Novus Ordo.  
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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #6 on: July 01, 2019, 10:26:51 AM »
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    • Poche, you hear what you want hear.  You aren’t open to the truth. 
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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #7 on: July 01, 2019, 10:33:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on July 01, 2019, 08:10:41 AM
    Both Mgr. Williamson and Fr Pfeiffer have said that in this situation it is ok to go to the Novus Ordo.  
    Here is an excellent book that deals with the subject of why we avoid the new "mass".
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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #8 on: July 01, 2019, 02:44:23 PM »
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    • Good job, Stubborn.  Fr. Wathen said the New Mass is sacrilegious on its face - just the basic, Novus Ordo - whether it was a "wild" one or not.

    It's illegal, it's sacrilegious, period.  It is an act of virtue to not attend it, be there, "just sit there," et al.  Stay away.   
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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #9 on: July 02, 2019, 12:24:26 AM »
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    • Quote from: Luis7 on July 01, 2019, 04:02:48 AM
    There is no Traditional Latin Mass near me, so is it better to skip the Novus Ordo mass and not receive the Eucharist, or go to mass so I can at least receive the Eucharist?
    The Novus Ordo Mass is not Catholic.  It is an invention of the Conciliar Church which has new sacraments, new liturgy, new everything unique to its uncatholic self.  It is worse than Protestantism - much worse.  See attached pdf file.
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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #10 on: July 02, 2019, 12:34:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on July 01, 2019, 08:10:41 AM
    Both Mgr. Williamson and Fr Pfeiffer have said that in this situation it is ok to go to the Novus Ordo.  
    In what other issues do you take Bishop Williamson and Fr Pfeiffer as such absotute  authorities, poche? You sound like a parrot!
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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #11 on: July 02, 2019, 09:36:30 AM »
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    • Poche, Nadir makes a great point.  You follow these Trad clerics when it suits you, but you need to follow them in all other areas.  Don't be a cafeteria catholic.  Both +Williamson and +Pfeiffer are very clear that V2 is objectively wrong, that all post-V2 popes are infected with Modernism and that the conciliar, new-rome "church" is not orthodox.  
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    For the good of your soul, Poche: 
    1.  You need to say a 9 day rosary novena for the specific intention for Our Lady to show you how the V2 church is wrong.  
    2.  You need to read Fr Wathen's "The Great Sacrilege" and accept that the novus ordo is wrong.
    2b.  Read it here for free:  http://www.dailycatholic.org/indextgs.htm
    3.  You need to discard the V2 religion and accept True Catholicism and Tradition wholeheartedly.
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    You've been on this site long enough.  You've read enough and know the issues on both sides.  It's time for you to take action and reject Modernism.  I'll be praying for you.
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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #12 on: July 02, 2019, 01:00:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 02, 2019, 09:36:30 AM
    You've been on this site long enough.  You've read enough and know the issues on both sides.  It's time for you to take action and reject Modernism.  I'll be praying for you.
    Well said, especially this ^^^.
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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #13 on: July 03, 2019, 11:22:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on July 01, 2019, 10:26:51 AM
    Poche, you hear what you want hear.  You aren’t open to the truth.
    We are talking about someone who lives in an area where there is no access to the TLM.
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    Re: Question regarding the New Mass and the Eucharist
    « Reply #14 on: July 03, 2019, 11:59:35 PM »
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    • Look at it from this perspective: is the new mass pleasing to God? No, then avoid it. There are times when we look at things from our human perspective and become gray, but if we look at them from God's perspective they become clear. Here's where big sacrifices come into play for the love of God. That person should probably move to a place close to a TLM.
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