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Offline apollo

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Re: Question for Geocentrists
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2019, 09:10:22 AM »
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  • Yes, I've had this debate with the sun god before.  He has some emotional need to cling to heliocentrism, despite the fact that even modern science doesn't hold it anymore.
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    Lie and lie.  Two lies in your quote.
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    Both you and Cassini have no arguments to this video,
    except to attack it as non-Christian.  That does not
    win the debate.   It shows your inability to refute the
    Heliocentric arguments.
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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #31 on: August 07, 2019, 09:14:51 AM »
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  • #2 ... you're ignorant.

    #3 ... you're calling St. Robert Bellarmine et al. "liars".
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    #3.
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    I did not.  Is English your second language?
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    That's another lie from Ladislaus.  Somebody start counting.
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    The lie is "Geocentrism is a matter of Faith".  
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    It is NOT.  Pope Pius VII determined that.
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    Look it up.


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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #32 on: August 07, 2019, 09:20:53 AM »
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  • #2 ... you're ignorant.

    #3 ... you're calling St. Robert Bellarmine et al. "liars".
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    Who is the ignorant one?  You should read St Robert Bellarmine's
    disclaimer sometime.  It's in one of my replies. 
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    Didn't know about that, did you?
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    You and Cassini live in la-la land, refuse to acknowledge the
    disclaimers and Pope Pius VII and all things that prove you wrong.
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    That make you either ignorant or dishonest.
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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #33 on: August 07, 2019, 10:14:59 AM »
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  • That make you either ignorant or dishonest.

    Coming from the imbecile who has no idea what a barycenter is, and who posts blasphemous garbage on the site.

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #34 on: August 07, 2019, 10:17:43 AM »
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  • Who is the ignorant one?  You should read St Robert Bellarmine's
    disclaimer sometime.  It's in one of my replies. 
     

    His disclaimer (with which I am well acquainted) is irrelevant, you imbecile.

    They condemned Galileo of heresy on the grounds that Sacred Scripture teaches geocentrism.  It was their opinion that Sacred Scriptures so teaches, and you have the temerity to call that a "lie", you impious piece of trash, you.  It would be one thing if you "humbly disagreed" with this opinion, but you are a in fact an impious wretch.


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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #35 on: August 07, 2019, 10:20:13 AM »
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  • Both you and Cassini have no arguments to this video,
    except to attack it as non-Christian.

    We've debunked each and every one of your idiotic arguments, arguments you claimed to be absolute and "slam dunk".  Each time one of them is debunked, you retreat to a different argument, all of which is evidence of bad will on your part.  You have decided what you want to believe and will grasp for any justification for your opinion.

    You are of bad will, and it's questionable whether you even have the Catholic faith.

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #36 on: August 07, 2019, 11:49:04 AM »
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  • Coming from the imbecile who has no idea what a barycenter is, and who posts blasphemous garbage on the site.
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    I'm an imbecile?  Wow, that is just too scientific for me.
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    Exactly as I predicted.  You attack the non-Christian part of the video, because
    you cannot refute the arguments.  
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    Just try to refute one argument, the one about the seasons.
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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #37 on: August 07, 2019, 12:00:20 PM »
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  • His disclaimer (with which I am well acquainted) is irrelevant, you imbecile.

    They condemned Galileo of heresy on the grounds that Sacred Scripture teaches geocentrism.  
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    If I call you an imbecile more than you call me an imbecile, do I win this debate ?
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    They condemned Galileo of heresy on the ground that he said Scripture could be
    in error on matters of science.
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    The main point was about whether or not Scripture could be in error, not about
    Geocentrism.  Geo. was not the main argument.
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    That's what led St Robert Bellarmine and St Augustine to make a disclaimer.
    And the disclaimer is RELEVANT, because they don't make disclaimers about
    real doctrines of the Church.
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    OK, I'm an imbecile. Can we get past that and focus on your arguments, which
    you don't have, so far.
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    Barycenters?  Please give me the formula that proves the barycenter of
    the universe follows exactly the position of the Earth for all time.
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    This is what you said in another thread.
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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #38 on: August 07, 2019, 12:08:32 PM »
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  • We've debunked each and every one of your idiotic arguments,

    LIE

    arguments you claimed to be absolute and "slam dunk".  Each time one of them is debunked, you retreat to a different argument,

    LIE

    all of which is evidence of bad will on your part.  

    LIE

    You have decided what you want to believe and will grasp for any justification for your opinion.

    This sounds like Ladislaus and Cassini.

    You are of bad will, and it's questionable whether you even have the Catholic faith.

    Exactly the way I feel about you two, which by the way proves nothing.




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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #39 on: August 07, 2019, 12:14:13 PM »
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  • From the number of views of this thread, people have lost interest in name calling,
    so don't expect me to continue reading the new names you will have for me in
    your replies.
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    And certainly don't expect me to respond to name calling in the future.
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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #40 on: August 07, 2019, 02:56:23 PM »
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  • I think we should call it a day Ladislaus and let them ramble on. I looked at that video he thinks proves geocentrism wrong. Most of it does that but it is the geocentrism of Ptolemy, abandoned 400 years ago by Tycho de Brahe's model. That has to be the most STUPID video I ever saw on the subject, falsifying the Ptolemiac model indeed.

    It does not falsify the ammended Cassinian tychonic model that I defend. He of course uses Newton's theory of gravitation and nutation to 'prove' his heliocentrism. He keeps talking about being 'educated' into the Newtonian model of a solar system. Someone should educate him with the fact that you cannot prove anything with theories.

    'They condemned Galileo of heresy on the ground that he said Scripture could be in error on matters of science,' he says. Galileo never said any such thing. He said it was interpreted wrongly by all the Fathers. If someone doesn't know this there is no point in arguing any further.

    He also says again Bellarmine and Augustine 'disclaimed' a geocentrist Scripture. I answered that earlier but it fell on blind eyes. As if you can nullify a papal decree with a letter written one year before it is defined by the Pope. So Lets agree not to cast any more pearls of faith on to a man who has no interest in any such faith.


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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #41 on: August 07, 2019, 05:38:49 PM »
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  • 1. I think we should call it a day Ladislaus and let them ramble on. I looked at that video he thinks proves geocentrism wrong. Most of it does that but it is the geocentrism of Ptolemy, abandoned 400 years ago by Tycho de Brahe's model. That has to be the most STUPID video I ever saw on the subject, falsifying the Ptolemiac model indeed.

    2. It does not falsify the ammended Cassinian tychonic model that I defend. He of course uses Newton's theory of gravitation and nutation to 'prove' his heliocentrism. He keeps talking about being 'educated' into the Newtonian model of a solar system. Someone should educate him with the fact that you cannot prove anything with theories.

    3. 'They condemned Galileo of heresy on the ground that he said Scripture could be in error on matters of science,' he says. Galileo never said any such thing. He said it was interpreted wrongly by all the Fathers. If someone doesn't know this there is no point in arguing any further.

    4. He also says again Bellarmine and Augustine 'disclaimed' a geocentrist Scripture. I answered that earlier but it fell on blind eyes. As if you can nullify a papal decree with a letter written one year before it is defined by the Pope. So Lets agree not to cast any more pearls of faith on to a man who has no interest in any such faith.
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    1. Calling the video stupid, does not refute it's claims.  The video shows that Geocentrists have no good explanation
    for the seasons.  So tell me for once.  How do you explain the seasons?  Does the Sun go up and down every year?
    Up from the equatorial plane in the summer and down in the winter ? 
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    I know it's a stupid question, in your opinion, so it should be easy to answer for someone as smart as you.
    Give me the answer, please, or shut up.
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    Tycho Brahe's model is debunked in one of the other 9 videos by the same astronomer.  And the model proposed by
    Robert Sundenis is debunked also, in one of the other videos, number 10 as I remember.
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    2. You have not given me ANY theories from science, so far, that proves Geocentrism.  All you have given me is lies
    about the decree of 1633 is an infallible doctrine.  IT IS NOT.  IF IT IS, then tell me where to find it in a Catholic
    catechism or Densinger's list of doctrines or a statement of the magisterium of the Church.
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    3. Here is the disclaimer by St Robert Bellarmine:
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    "I say that if there were a true demonstration that the sun is at the center of the world and the earth in the third heaven, and that the sun does not circle the earth but the earth circles the sun, then one would have to proceed with great care in explaining the Scriptures that appear contrary, and say rather that we do not understand them than what is demonstrated is false."
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    Here is the source: http://www.ifimightinterject.com/2014/10/reflection-on-st-robert-bellarmine.html
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    4. That Papal Decree was not an infallible decree defining a doctrine of the Church and Pope Pius V did
    not sign the decree and no letters were sent to all the bishops of the world stating a new Church doctrine.
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    Therefore, your idea that it's a doctrine is merely a THEORY, and NOT a fact.  You live in la-la land on this
    subject.

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #42 on: August 07, 2019, 05:46:38 PM »
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  • I think we should call it a day Ladislaus and let them ramble on. I looked at that video he thinks proves geocentrism wrong. Most of it does that but it is the geocentrism of Ptolemy, abandoned 400 years ago by Tycho de Brahe's model. That has to be the most STUPID video I ever saw on the subject, falsifying the Ptolemiac model indeed.
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    Here is the video which debunks the Tycho Brahe model of Geocentrism.
    IT ALSO DEBUNKS the model of ROBERT SUNGENIS.
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    Yes, I know it's the most stupid video that you will ever see, so you don't
    have to say that.  Just skip that statement and proceed with your scientific
    explanation about how the video is wrong.
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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #43 on: August 07, 2019, 06:11:26 PM »
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  • So Lets agree not to cast any more pearls of faith on to a man who has no interest in any such faith.

    Agreed.  It's clear that he has no interest in the truth on this matter.

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    Re: Question for Geocentrists
    « Reply #44 on: August 07, 2019, 06:12:55 PM »
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  • How do you explain the seasons?  Does the Sun go up and down every year?
    Up from the equatorial plane in the summer and down in the winter ?  

    :facepalm: