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Offline Cantarella

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Question bout the Green Scapular
« on: September 15, 2013, 12:34:57 AM »
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    • For the conversion of an heretic to the True Faith, how successful have you found it?

    Also, does it have to be hidden? let's say under the mattress... or is it OK if the non- Catholic for some reason, agrees on wearing it?

     
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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Question bout the Green Scapular
    « Reply #1 on: September 15, 2013, 12:48:12 AM »
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    • I know of a miraculous healing with a non Catholic and the green scapular. This man had cancer. He was advised to put the green scapular under his pillow. He did. He was scheduled for an operation. The last doctor's exam before the operation the doctor reported that there was no sign of cancer. That was in the early '70s.
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    Question bout the Green Scapular
    « Reply #2 on: September 16, 2013, 01:19:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella
    For the conversion of an heretic to the True Faith, how successful have you found it?

    Also, does it have to be hidden? let's say under the mattress... or is it OK if the non- Catholic for some reason, agrees on wearing it?

     


    I haven't had a lot of personal experience with the results of the Green Scapular, but I've read about a lot of amazing results. From what I know it's actually better if the person wears it voluntarily; you only hide it if you know or you're pretty sure that they wouldn't wear it. Either way either the person or the person giving the scapular should say every day the prayer that goes with it ("Immaculate Heart of Mary pray for us now and at the hour of our death.").
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    Question bout the Green Scapular
    « Reply #3 on: September 16, 2013, 01:22:40 PM »
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    • The person you give it to should be unaware of it, as non-Catholics are not supposed to use Catholic sacramentals.  So hiding it is the way to go.
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    Question bout the Green Scapular
    « Reply #4 on: September 16, 2013, 01:23:13 PM »
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    • On the True Restoration internet radio show on Friday, Father Cekada and Bishop Dolan were guests. One of them (I think it was Father Cekada but I am not sure) said that Catholics should not give Catholic sacramentals to non-Catholics, including the green scapular. I thought this is strange because I've never heard it before and I thought the purpose of the green scapular was to give it to non-Catholics so that they should be converted.
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    Question bout the Green Scapular
    « Reply #5 on: September 16, 2013, 01:24:47 PM »
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    On the True Restoration internet radio show on Friday, Father Cekada and Bishop Dolan were guests. One of them (I think it was Father Cekada but I am not sure) said that Catholics should not give Catholic sacramentals to non-Catholics, including the green scapular. I thought this is strange because I've never heard it before and I thought the purpose of the green scapular was to give it to non-Catholics so that they should be converted.


    That is the purpose of the green scapular, but nevertheless, non-Catholics should not be given Catholic sacramentals because it can lead to a confusion of religion, and also because non-Catholics do not understand what sacramentals are, and may view them as good luck charms.

    Green scapulars can and should be given, but not as something for the recipient to be aware of.
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    Question bout the Green Scapular
    « Reply #6 on: September 16, 2013, 01:31:24 PM »
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    • I want to rephrase what I said.  Sacramentals are not for use by non-Catholics.
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    Question bout the Green Scapular
    « Reply #7 on: September 16, 2013, 01:42:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matto
    On the True Restoration internet radio show on Friday, Father Cekada and Bishop Dolan were guests. One of them (I think it was Father Cekada but I am not sure) said that Catholics should not give Catholic sacramentals to non-Catholics, including the green scapular. I thought this is strange because I've never heard it before and I thought the purpose of the green scapular was to give it to non-Catholics so that they should be converted.


    So it makes sense for it to actually be hidden.
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    Question bout the Green Scapular
    « Reply #8 on: September 16, 2013, 03:33:26 PM »
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    • This is the first time I've heard that. I'll have to check on it.

    In any event, often people go through the motions of accepting the Green Scapular and will even promise to say the prayer, and then toss the scapular in a trash can once the giver leaves, having "agreed" only to be "polite." If you hide it and take on saying the prayers yourself, that seems much more likely to be effective.
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    Question bout the Green Scapular
    « Reply #9 on: September 16, 2013, 03:37:48 PM »
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    non-Catholics should not be given Catholic sacramentals because it can lead to a confusion of religion, and also because non-Catholics do not understand what sacramentals are, and may view them as good luck charms.


    Huh. What about a nonCatholic who wants to pray the Rosary with Catholics at an abortion mill? Should we all carry unblessed Rosaries with us to be able to give one to such a person under those circuмstances? Seems weird.

    Can you name or cite an authority for your position?
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    Question bout the Green Scapular
    « Reply #10 on: September 16, 2013, 03:50:27 PM »
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    • This site has more information about the Green Scapular:

    http://greenscapular.com

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    Question bout the Green Scapular
    « Reply #11 on: September 16, 2013, 04:32:05 PM »
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    •  :pray:A non-Catholic colleague wears the Green Scapular I gave her, and prays the the prayer.  She is "investigating" the Catholic Faith, but wants to take her time, "no high-pressure sales desired" as she says.  She's Anglican.  Her "pastor" is also delving into "catholicy things" in her church.  Somewhere in the U.S. I recall hearing about an entire black AME church becoming Catholic.  My friend is a native of Jamaica, and her church is primarily black.  Does anyone know about this?  I think it happened in the 1980s.
    I would not give sacramentals to anyone I knew would desecrate them, or use them superstitiously.  I've a relative who destroys religious items if they are found in the house, so I do not even hide medals or scapulars anymore.  The most that I can do is use Holy Water, because it dries.
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    Question bout the Green Scapular
    « Reply #12 on: September 18, 2013, 02:17:31 PM »
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    • I just placed green scapular under my 15 year old niece's bed a couple of hours ago.
    A month ago placed brown scapular under 10 year old niece's bed.


    And pray that my sister doesn't find the scapulars and throw them out.





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