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Offline icterus

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Question about geocentric cosmology
« on: November 01, 2013, 10:23:00 PM »
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  • Ok, so I've been doing some research on geocentric cosmology.  I am aware of the basics.  One thing I cannot figure out.  I hope I can make this clear, thanks in advance for any assistance.

    As far as I'm aware, the *only* reason to be interested in geocentric cosmology is for the sake of the Faith.  In other words, I don't see that I or anyone else would currently be interested in it one way or another without the testimony of scripture.  Mathematically, heliocentric cosmology obviously functions well enough for mankind's practical needs, so unless it was a religious issue, there's no reason to delve into it.

    For a Catholic, the religious issue is fidelity to scripture (and the tradition of being faithful to scripture).

    So.  I'm vexed by an issue.  I don't see any consistency in how scriptural principles are applied to cosmology in this case.  I want to know, what happened to the vault?

    6 God said, 'Let there be a vault through the middle of the waters to divide the waters in two.' And so it was.

    7 God made the vault, and it divided the waters under the vault from the waters above the vault.

    8 God called the vault 'heaven'. Evening came and morning came: the second day.

    9 God said, 'Let the waters under heaven come together into a single mass, and let dry land appear.' And so it was.

    10 God called the dry land 'earth' and the mass of waters 'seas', and God saw that it was good.


    Has anyone ever seen a treatment of this?  If we take this teaching as seriously as the teaching of a stationary Earth, then we should be able to identify the vault, as well as the heavenly waters mentioned here, no?  It seems that scripture is unequivocal on this point, there is water above the vault, the vault holds the water up.  How come I never hear anyone explain this water above the vault?  

    Maybe I have just missed this.  If someone could enlighten me on the matter of the vault, I'd appreciate it.


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    Question about geocentric cosmology
    « Reply #1 on: November 04, 2013, 07:48:32 AM »
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  • I stumbled upon one answer on Sungenis' site...but it's basically 'yes'.  Sort of uninspiring.  I guess in order to accept Sungenis' answer, I can't believe in a large universe, either.  So, now do I have to believe that not only is there a worldwide conspiracy to promote an old universe, but that there is also one to promote a large universe as well?  

    Sungenis answer.  The water is up there.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Question about geocentric cosmology
    « Reply #2 on: November 06, 2013, 09:55:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: icterus
    Ok, so I've been doing some research on geocentric cosmology.  I am aware of the basics.  One thing I cannot figure out.  I hope I can make this clear, thanks in advance for any assistance.

    As far as I'm aware, the *only* reason to be interested in geocentric cosmology is for the sake of the Faith.  In other words, I don't see that I or anyone else would currently be interested in it one way or another without the testimony of scripture.  

    Mathematically, heliocentric cosmology obviously functions well enough for mankind's practical needs, so unless it was a religious issue, there's no reason to delve into it.

    For a Catholic, the religious issue is fidelity to scripture (and the tradition of being faithful to scripture).

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    You have it entirely backwards, icterus.




    Mathematically, heliocentric cosmology is useless for rockets and
    and satellites launched from and orbiting around the earth.

    However, geocentric cosmology functions well for these.  



    Heliocentric cosmology is much too complicated for use
    with orbiting satellites, and therefore is only used for
    the sake of denying the Faith!




    Go to JPL in Pasadena, CA, and walk around asking people there to
    tell you about how they compute the orbits of satellites going around
    the earth.

    Ask them to explain how the rotational momentum or velocity in
    radians per second of the earth figures in to their calculations.  They
    will tell you, with kind of a curious smirk on their face, that they
    presume the earth is stationary, not because it "is" but because that
    way their calculations are much more easily handled.  You always do
    things the easy way so long as the easy way yields the same results
    as the more complicated way of doing things.  

    If they 'recognized' the rotation of the earth, they would have to add
    that in at the beginning, do the calcs, then subtract that out at the
    end, because when a satellite is taking off or landing, it is as though
    the earth is a starting point, that is, not moving.  Since all satellites
    begin and end at the surface of the earth, the 'movement' of the
    earth is unnecessary for consideration in satellite orbits.


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