Author Topic: Question about Deicide (Read 1029 times)

Matto · « **on:** March 02, 2011, 07:20:22 PM »

I was listening to the news radio today and one of the stories was about Pope Benedict saying in one of his books that the Jєωs were not responsible for killing Christ. It was just a short story with little explanation. I got upset when I heard this. Does anyone know anything about this book and what he says in it?

I mean, I don't know much, but I would figure that the priests who conspired against him and the Jєωs at the time of Christ who rejected him and called for his blood in the mob were guilty of Deicide. Does Benedict deny this? Also how much guilt do latter Jєωs bear in this matter for being the followers of the teachings of those who killed Christ instead of the true teachings of Christ?

What are the traditional teachings on these matters?

Sigismund · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2011, 09:42:37 PM »

Well, The Jєωs are not responsible for killing Christ. Some Jєωs at the time were. and theologically, all of us are responsible for His death.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2011, 10:17:42 PM »

"Let His Blood be upon us and upon our children." So be it.

gladius_veritatis · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2011, 10:20:33 PM »

Failure to remain faithful to a special vocation leads to special guilt.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:06:06 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Well, The Jєωs are not responsible for killing Christ. Some Jєωs at the time were. and theologically, all of us are responsible for His death.

Lots of saints and doctors of the Church disagree with what you state there.

Against them one has Nostra Aetate and Benedict XVI.

tlmforme · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:14:58 PM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Well, The Jєωs are not responsible for killing Christ. Some Jєωs at the time were. and theologically, all of us are responsible for His death.

Absolutely. First of all He became man in order to die for our sins. All of mankind is responsible for His death, since we all sin.

Following the OP.'s logic, since some white Americans had slaves, all white Americans are guilty of same. That doesn't make sense.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:02:14 PM »

The Jєωιѕн nation is responsible for the Crucifixion. Their leaders had him seized, handed him over to Pilate, and demanded his death.

Collective responsibility doesn't mean that every Jєω today is shouting "crucify him." What it means is that the Jєωιѕн nation and religion, as a whole, carried out the deed and they have waged war against the Church ever since.

If you think of the Germans, they are held collectively responsible for World War II, but certainly the individual German was not directly involved in that decision, nevertheless he supported his nation. Now, the Germans today have disassociated themselves from National Socialism, but the fact remains they are held accountable, (unjustly, I might add) even though they have repudiated the acts of that state.

The Jєωs and the Jєωιѕн religion have not repudiated the Crucifixion. They remain at war with Christianity.

The Jєωιѕн nation brought about the Crucifixion of Christ. Does that mean the Jєωs cannot be saved or redeemed? Of course not. It does mean, that so long as they do not repudiate what their nation did and accept the Gospel, they remain loyal to those who brought about the Crucifixion.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:04:46 PM »

This link recounts what the Apostles, Saints, and Doctors of the Church have written about Jєωιѕн responsibility for the Deicide. Anyone who puts Nostra Aetate's indifferentist heresy in opposition to the words of those men are surely going against the true teachings of the Church:

http://sh1.webring.com/people/up/pharsea/Perfidy.html

Matto · « **Reply #8 on:** March 03, 2011, 06:19:33 PM »

Angelqueen has a thread on this same topic.

TraceG · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2011, 06:56:33 PM »

More garbage and misleading by Ratzinger