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Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
« on: March 07, 2015, 08:13:26 PM »
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  • Hi after confession I asked the priest to bless my 2 rosaries and Brown Scapular and he did it with just his hands and did not use any Holy Water. Also, I use to think that the Brown Scapular needed some sort of registration or something like that.

    Can someone please help me with this?

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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
    « Reply #1 on: March 07, 2015, 10:48:52 PM »
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  • A brown scapular needs an "enrollment" *if* you wish to enter the confraternity.

    Otherwise, one only need to wear it, be chaste according to one's state in life, and daily recite thw Divine Office (or Little Office with permission), or Rosary.


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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
    « Reply #2 on: March 07, 2015, 11:21:55 PM »
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  • If you are invested in the brown scapular then you do not have to have the scapular blessed. The fact that you are wearing it gives it its blessing.  

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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
    « Reply #3 on: March 08, 2015, 12:01:32 PM »
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  • As children we were enrolled in the Brown Scapular at our First Communion.  I think the SSPX still does it that way.  I would ask your priest about the enrollment.  Then each new scapular doesn't require a blessing.  As for the holy water, I'm not sure why he didn't use it unless it was just not available to him.  I've never seen an object blessed without the use of it.  Anytime I've asked to have something blessed, the priest immediately asks for or looks for the holy water.  

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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
    « Reply #4 on: March 08, 2015, 01:13:09 PM »
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  • Was it a Novus Ordo "priest", or a traditional priest?


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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
    « Reply #5 on: March 08, 2015, 02:06:51 PM »
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    If you are invested in the brown scapular then you do not have to have the scapular blessed. The fact that you are wearing it gives it its blessing.  


    During the investment of the brown scapular, holy water is sprinkled on it, thereby effecting its blessing.

    When I had my brown scapular invested upon me, this is what the priest did during the Rite.


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    A brown scapular needs an "enrollment" *if* you wish to enter the confraternity.

    Otherwise, one only need to wear it, be chaste according to one's state in life, and daily recite thw Divine Office (or Little Office with permission), or Rosary.


    If I'm not mistaken, in most cases, the confraternity is a loosely based. There is no registry, data base or records of Catholics who have the brown scapular invested upon us. The probable exceptions are Third Order "tertiaries" who live in a monastic community and take vows, and obviously, First and Second Order monastics.

    My understanding is we "regular" Catholics (who aren't monastics) who are enrolled into the brown scapular, which is done by a short Rite that is prayed by the priest and respondent (the person being invested with the brown scapular), are spiritually part of the confraternity of Carmelites, and in order to receive the promises of having the brown scapular invested upon us, we must live in chastity according to our state in life, and daily pray the Divinum Officium, or substitute Little Office of BVM with permission from your priest, or pray the Rosary, and we must always wear the brown scapular.


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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
    « Reply #6 on: March 08, 2015, 05:41:31 PM »
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    As for the holy water, I'm not sure why he didn't use it unless it was just not available to him.  I've never seen an object blessed without the use of it.  

    I have seen Novus Ordo priests as well as SSPX priests bless rosaries without using holy water.
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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
    « Reply #7 on: March 10, 2015, 10:50:18 PM »
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    If you are invested in the brown scapular then you do not have to have the scapular blessed. The fact that you are wearing it gives it its blessing.  


    During the investment of the brown scapular, holy water is sprinkled on it, thereby effecting its blessing.

    When I had my brown scapular invested upon me, this is what the priest did during the Rite.


    Quote from: Iuvenalis
    A brown scapular needs an "enrollment" *if* you wish to enter the confraternity.

    Otherwise, one only need to wear it, be chaste according to one's state in life, and daily recite thw Divine Office (or Little Office with permission), or Rosary.


    If I'm not mistaken, in most cases, the confraternity is a loosely based. There is no registry, data base or records of Catholics who have the brown scapular invested upon us. The probable exceptions are Third Order "tertiaries" who live in a monastic community and take vows, and obviously, First and Second Order monastics.

    My understanding is we "regular" Catholics (who aren't monastics) who are enrolled into the brown scapular, which is done by a short Rite that is prayed by the priest and respondent (the person being invested with the brown scapular), are spiritually part of the confraternity of Carmelites, and in order to receive the promises of having the brown scapular invested upon us, we must live in chastity according to our state in life, and daily pray the Divinum Officium, or substitute Little Office of BVM with permission from your priest, or pray the Rosary, and we must always wear the brown scapular.



    Yes, but once you are invested then when you get a new scapular you do not have to get a priest to bless it because one of teh benefits of your investiture is that once you put on the new scapular the investiture causes all subsequent scapulars that you wear to be blessed.


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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
    « Reply #8 on: March 11, 2015, 08:52:47 AM »
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    Yes, but once you are invested then when you get a new scapular you do not have to get a priest to bless it because one of teh benefits of your investiture is that once you put on the new scapular the investiture causes all subsequent scapulars that you wear to be blessed.


    Not quite.  You are correct that subsequent brown scapulars have EFFICACY by virtue of someone who's been enrolled putting it on.  That doesn't mean they're "blessed"; they can and probably still SHOULD be blessed, but they don't have to be.  It's akin to a religious habit.  If I take vows as a Franciscan, I would don the Franciscan habit.  If I need to get a new one because my old one got ruined, I can obtain a new one and put it on, and I am still a Franciscan in Franciscan habit ... whether or not the new habit has been blessed.

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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
    « Reply #9 on: March 11, 2015, 08:56:20 AM »
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    and we must always wear the brown scapular.


    We needn't be scrupulous about this either.  I've known people who think that if they take off the scapular in order to shower, if they dropped dead in the shower, they could go to hell.  We must always HABITUALLY wear the brown scapular, but just as a Franciscan monk does not cease to be one if he removes his habit to bathe, so you do not cease to be "enrolled" if you happen to take it off for a few minutes here or there.  With that said, one should have good reason to take it off and not take it off just because you don't feel like wearing it.

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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
    « Reply #10 on: March 11, 2015, 09:15:46 AM »
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    I've known people who think that if they take off the scapular in order to shower, if they dropped dead in the shower, they could go to hell.


    I'm embarrassed to say I'm one of these overly scrupulous types.  I have an old brown scapular that I keep in the bathroom for this purpose.

    Thanks for expounding on this a bit. Being legalistic = a little OCD sometimes.


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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
    « Reply #11 on: March 11, 2015, 09:38:02 AM »
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    As for the holy water, I'm not sure why he didn't use it unless it was just not available to him.  I've never seen an object blessed without the use of it.  

    I have seen Novus Ordo priests as well as SSPX priests bless rosaries without using holy water.


    But there is no exorcism of the object without holy water, and that means water that is properly exorcised and blessed, with exorcised and blessed salt, correct?  

    I like this commentary.  Father contrasts the blessing of water as a novus ordo priest vs now as a traditional priest:  Traditional Holy Water

    Since many churches do not utilize a proper blessing of the water, I've heard the expression that it's "happy water" vs holy water.  

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    I've known people who think that if they take off the scapular in order to shower, if they dropped dead in the shower, they could go to hell.


    I'm embarrassed to say I'm one of these overly scrupulous types.  I have an old brown scapular that I keep in the bathroom for this purpose.

    Thanks for expounding on this a bit. Being legalistic = a little OCD sometimes.


    Yes, this is a temptation ... which is why I brought it up.  God is not hiding behind a bush ready to jump out at any moment and yell "gotcha!" so that He can send people to hell.  At that rate, He could very easily find way to make sure your scapular gets removed just before you die.  God desires the salvation of every soul, and even our desire to wear the scapular in the first place is a gift of His Mercy to us.  God is a good and loving Father who loves us more than we love ourselves and would never deal with us this way.

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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
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    Yes, but once you are invested then when you get a new scapular you do not have to get a priest to bless it because one of teh benefits of your investiture is that once you put on the new scapular the investiture causes all subsequent scapulars that you wear to be blessed.


    True.


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    Not quite.  You are correct that subsequent brown scapulars have EFFICACY by virtue of someone who's been enrolled putting it on.  That doesn't mean they're "blessed"; they can and probably still SHOULD be blessed, but they don't have to be.  It's akin to a religious habit.  If I take vows as a Franciscan, I would don the Franciscan habit.  If I need to get a new one because my old one got ruined, I can obtain a new one and put it on, and I am still a Franciscan in Franciscan habit ... whether or not the new habit has been blessed.


    True, too.


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    and we must always wear the brown scapular.


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    We needn't be scrupulous about this either.  I've known people who think that if they take off the scapular in order to shower, if they dropped dead in the shower, they could go to hell.  We must always HABITUALLY wear the brown scapular, but just as a Franciscan monk does not cease to be one if he removes his habit to bathe, so you do not cease to be "enrolled" if you happen to take it off for a few minutes here or there.  With that said, one should have good reason to take it off and not take it off just because you don't feel like wearing it.


    True, again.  :cool:
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    Question about blessing Rosaries and Brown Scapular
    « Reply #14 on: March 11, 2015, 10:41:11 AM »
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    God is not hiding behind a bush ready to jump out at any moment and yell "gotcha!" so that He can send people to hell.


    What a visual.  I had just taken a big sip of delicious bulletproof coffee and had to choke it back in laughter.  
    Point very well taken and OCD adjusted.

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    God desires the salvation of every soul, and even our desire to wear the scapular in the first place is a gift of His Mercy to us.


    It could be called SOD.   <a little levity>