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Offline poche

Re: Question
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2019, 09:02:10 AM »
Quote from: Alexandria on June 22, 2019, 10:51:59 AM
Is it true that we have the assurance that the Church can never lead us astray, which is why novus ordo Catholics say they can safely stay where they are?
"Behold thou art Peter and it is to you that I give the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. And the gates of Hell shall not prevail."
 - Jesus.   
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Offline Alexandria

Re: Question
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2019, 11:38:02 AM »
How about traditional Catholic teaching on ѕυιcιdє?  

When I was growing up before VII, if anyone committed ѕυιcιdє (which rarely happened - it wasn't a fashionable thing to do back then and only became so when the stigma of doing it was removed - kind of like having a baby out of wedlock), or if a baby died without baptism, they were buried in an unconsecrated section in the Catholic cemetery.  I don't think there was a funeral Mass either.   Only some prayers said at graveside.

But I received a flyer in the mail the other day from the Marian priests in Stockbridge, Massachusetts, and in advertising a certain book ("After ѕυιcιdє") it said "The Catholic Church does not teach that someone who commits ѕυιcιdє automatically goes to hell" but I am almost certain that I was taught that they did because it was a mortal sin, and if you died with only one on your soul, you went to hell.

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Offline Alexandria

Re: Question
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2019, 11:38:40 AM »

Double post
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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Question
« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2019, 02:48:41 PM »
Quote from: Alexandria on June 24, 2019, 11:38:02 AM
How about traditional Catholic teaching on ѕυιcιdє?  

When I was growing up before VII, if anyone committed ѕυιcιdє (which rarely happened - it wasn't a fashionable thing to do back then and only became so when the stigma of doing it was removed - kind of like having a baby out of wedlock), or if a baby died without baptism, they were buried in an unconsecrated section in the Catholic cemetery.  I don't think there was a funeral Mass either.   Only some prayers said at graveside.

But I received a flyer in the mail the other day from the Marian priests in Stockbridge, Massachusetts, and in advertising a certain book ("After ѕυιcιdє") it said "The Catholic Church does not teach that someone who commits ѕυιcιdє automatically goes to hell" but I am almost certain that I was taught that they did because it was a mortal sin, and if you died with only one on your soul, you went to hell.
As far as I know there are three conditions for mortal sin.  The gravity of the matter is one of them, and certainly applies, but the other two, full knowledge, and full consent of the will, are subjective to the person and only known for sure by God (and perhaps the sinner.)

Furthermore, we don't know for sure that a person couldn't make an act of perfect contrition between the moment they chose to kill themselves, and the moment they actually died.

Of course, saying some prayers at the person's graveside seems to indicate some level of lacking certainty.  That doesn't mean you can commit ѕυιcιdє safely, just that in the end only God knows for sure a particular soul's level of subjective culpability and the judge of all the earth will do right/
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Question
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2019, 03:07:00 PM »
Quote from: Alexandria on June 24, 2019, 11:38:02 AM
How about traditional Catholic teaching on ѕυιcιdє?  

When I was growing up before VII, if anyone committed ѕυιcιdє (which rarely happened - it wasn't a fashionable thing to do back then and only became so when the stigma of doing it was removed - kind of like having a baby out of wedlock), or if a baby died without baptism, they were buried in an unconsecrated section in the Catholic cemetery.  I don't think there was a funeral Mass either.   Only some prayers said at graveside.

But I received a flyer in the mail the other day from the Marian priests in Stockbridge, Massachusetts, and in advertising a certain book ("After ѕυιcιdє") it said "The Catholic Church does not teach that someone who commits ѕυιcιdє automatically goes to hell" but I am almost certain that I was taught that they did because it was a mortal sin, and if you died with only one on your soul, you went to hell.
The confusion is the result of considering the Novus Ordo the same as the Catholic Church.
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