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« on: June 22, 2019, 10:51:59 AM »
Is it true that we have the assurance that the Church can never lead us astray, which is why novus ordo Catholics say they can safely stay where they are?



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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2019, 11:04:05 AM »
It is true that the Church can never lead us astray! Absolutely. The Church is both infallible, that it can never teach error, and indefectible, that it’s teaching can never change. 

So then, if what the Novus Ordo believe and teach, if it differs from what the Church has always taught, cannot be a teaching of the Catholic faith. Religious liberty has been condemned: it cannot be Catholic teaching. Impossible. The Novus Ordo are largely ignorant of Catholic teaching, as they’ve never been taught Catholicism. There are many who don’t want to look, who just don’t care. But someone who stumbles across truth must pursue it. It is a sin against the Holy Ghost to resist the known truth. For those who are ignorant, ignorance excuses guilt, but it cannot make the action good. Do most NO pew sitters know what they are doing is wrong? I would say probably not. They don’t know any different. But that doesn’t make it ok just because they don’t know. 

Of course, in the early days it was a matter of “obedience” to the bishops who said that we HAD to go along with the changes. False obedience! We cannot obey bad orders that lead us to sin! So the Novus Ordo use good Catholic thinking in the wrong scenario. Should Catholics obey the Popes and bishops? Absolutely! When they ask us to join their new religion? We must resist!


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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2019, 11:06:26 AM »
Official Church doctrine can never be wrong.  The Church hierarchy can lead us astray, as Christ told us multiple times to beware of “wolves in sheep’s clothing”.

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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2019, 11:13:16 AM »
It is true that the Church can never lead us astray! Absolutely. The Church is both infallible, that it can never teach error, and indefectible, that it’s teaching can never change.

So then, if what the Novus Ordo believe and teach, if it differs from what the Church has always taught, cannot be a teaching of the Catholic faith. Religious liberty has been condemned: it cannot be Catholic teaching. Impossible. The Novus Ordo are largely ignorant of Catholic teaching, as they’ve never been taught Catholicism. There are many who don’t want to look, who just don’t care. But someone who stumbles across truth must pursue it. It is a sin against the Holy Ghost to resist the known truth. For those who are ignorant, ignorance excuses guilt, but it cannot make the action good. Do most NO pew sitters know what they are doing is wrong? I would say probably not. They don’t know any different. But that doesn’t make it ok just because they don’t know.

Of course, in the early days it was a matter of “obedience” to the bishops who said that we HAD to go along with the changes. False obedience! We cannot obey bad orders that lead us to sin! So the Novus Ordo use good Catholic thinking in the wrong scenario. Should Catholics obey the Popes and bishops? Absolutely! When they ask us to join their new religion? We must resist!
Thank you.  That is what I thought.  My memory is getting really bad.  I used to know all of these things at the drop of a hat, but lately I am able to recall less and less.  Don't get old.  :)
What you have written is why I am having such a hard time with the canonizations of JPII (I lived through his entire pontificate - God forgive me, but I couldn't wait until he died so he wouldn't be able to do any more harm to the Church) and, most especially, Paul VI, and am also having a hard time with the change in doctrine (it's no evolution of doctrine - it's the opposite).
And if the visible organization that calls itself the Catholic Church is no longer trustworthy to give you Catholic truth, then where is the Church?  I thought we had been assured that the Church could never lead us astray?  But it has.  Then what?
Have patience with me, please, while I work through this.  It has become very confusing in my brain lately.  :confused:

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« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2019, 11:16:53 AM »

The traditional Catholic Church will not lead us astray.
The consiliar catholic church is a schism, inside the true Church... has obviously led many Baptized Catholics astray.

Our Lady of LaSalette warned the Church would be hidden or "eclipsed" and the Seat even becoming that of the anti-christ.



An excerpt from Pope Leo XIII's original, full version St. Michael's prayer warns:

“These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where the See of Holy Peter and the Chair of Truth has been set up as the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety, with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be scattered.
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And below, Father Hesse elaborates on the visible, schismatic church's condition.