Author Topic: purgatory (Read 1721 times)

TCat · « **on:** August 22, 2013, 06:55:03 AM »

I have an old missal that contains prayers and shows the "indulgences" that various popes have granted to the souls that pray them - on conditions.

These things are
Indulgences of for eg, 300 days once a year
Quarantines, eg seven quarantines

As far as I know these things come from the magesterieum of the church that has the power to bind and loose. But does anyone here pray just to get the indulgences, or do they just pray anyway and if they get an indulgence that's a bonous.

I don't pray with the intention of getting an indulgence or quarantine, I don't understand this. :idea:

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #1 on:** August 22, 2013, 07:18:46 AM »

Our Lord did say something about "every farthing being paid" and there are cases of saints and people in the religious life finding a fellow religious who had passed away engaged in very long prayer sessions to fulfill their requirements before receiving the beatific vision.

Those indulgences also have rules attached to them so a person on a state of mortal sin would probably only receive the grace to give him the spiritual strength to make a good confession.

The indulgences? Maybe that is a holy collectible? Instead of collecting stamps or coins, perhaps Our Lord wants us collecting indulgences and building our treasure in Heaven where thieves and moths and decay cannot touch it.

Nishant · « **Reply #2 on:** August 22, 2013, 08:42:26 AM »

Each sin has a twofold character, the guilt immediately incurred on our soul and the debt of punishment owed to divine Justice. After the guilt of sin has been forgiven, punishment must be undergone either in this life or in purgatory. There are Biblical examples as well and Tradition hands this down.

Indulgences are the partial or plenary remission of temporal punishment where the guilt of sin has already been forgiven. Under the usual conditions, i.e. sacramental penance and reception of the Holy Eucharist along with prayer for the intentions of the Pope, you may receive a plenary indulgence for any of the stipulated works declared by the Church.

It is best to have an intention, at least habitual, to gain indulgences, and if possible to couple this with a morning offering to the Sacred Heart through the Immaculate Heart, for which many simple prayers are available. Together with wearing the Scapular, I would recommend making the heroic vow, in favor of the souls in purgatory, or even better, making the total consecration as a slave to the Immaculate Heart of Mary according to the method of St. Louis Marie Montfort. You will gain by her constant and unfailing aid more graces and favors, remissions and expiations, for yourself and for others than you can imagine if you do.

TCat · « **Reply #3 on:** August 22, 2013, 11:40:42 AM »

Quote from: Nishant

Each sin has a twofold character, the guilt immediately incurred on our soul and the debt of punishment owed to divine Justice. After the guilt of sin has been forgiven, punishment must be undergone either in this life or in purgatory. There are Biblical examples as well and Tradition hands this down.

Indulgences are the partial or plenary remission of temporal punishment where the guilt of sin has already been forgiven. Under the usual conditions, i.e. sacramental penance and reception of the Holy Eucharist along with prayer for the intentions of the Pope, you may receive a plenary indulgence for any of the stipulated works declared by the Church.

It is best to have an intention, at least habitual, to gain indulgences, and if possible to couple this with a morning offering to the Sacred Heart through the Immaculate Heart, for which many simple prayers are available. Together with wearing the Scapular, I would recommend making the heroic vow, in favor of the souls in purgatory, or even better, making the total consecration as a slave to the Immaculate Heart of Mary according to the method of St. Louis Marie Montfort. You will gain by her constant and unfailing aid more graces and favors, remissions and expiations, for yourself and for others than you can imagine if you do.

The heroic vow transfers all the favours I would receive in this life to the souls in purgatory, but I am unwilling to make such a vow myself.

Did you or anyone else take this vow? and can you speak of the extra graces and favours you received from experience of it?

MyrnaM · « **Reply #4 on:** August 22, 2013, 11:55:27 AM »

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The heroic vow transfers all the favours I would receive in this life to the souls in purgatory, but I am unwilling to make such a vow myself.

You shouldn't be afraid to make such a vow, or at the very least offer any merits you receive daily, instead of a vow. The reason is when you are in need of a friend, these souls whom you have helped will not forget you, also you will not be one of those most forgotten souls in Purgatory. God will remember your charity, and He will apply many favors of grace and indulgence to you in threefold, the Bible explains.

People who take such vows, I doubt they actually "feel" anything, it is a matter of Faith that you will receive back, you can not outdo God.

TCat · « **Reply #5 on:** August 22, 2013, 11:59:08 AM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

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The heroic vow transfers all the favours I would receive in this life to the souls in purgatory, but I am unwilling to make such a vow myself.

You shouldn't be afraid to make such a vow, or at the very least offer any merits you receive daily, instead of a vow. The reason is when you are in need of a friend, these souls whom you have helped will not forget you, also you will not be one of those most forgotten souls in Purgatory. God will remember your charity, and He will apply many favors of grace and indulgence to you in threefold, the Bible explains.

People who take such vows, I doubt they actually "feel" anything, it is a matter of Faith that you will receive back, you can not outdo God.

What you thumb me down for for asking a question about a vow?
I said I would not take the vow myself and you disapprove? its MY life!
You talk of charity and thumb me down for asking a question, not charitable!

MyrnaM · « **Reply #6 on:** August 22, 2013, 01:23:35 PM »

Hey! I didn't thumb you down, just because I answered your question didn't mean I thumbed you down.

If you read the notes here on cathinfo. you will find that many are very rude, with absolutely no tact for taking to another fellow Catholic. Someone once said,d "it is tact that is golden, not silence". Although they may know a lot, canon lawyers wan'nna bees are what I call them.

Remember too, this is a public forum and don't kid yourself, the enemy is right here posting and trying to cause as much diversion with like minded Catholics as they can. The first thing you must acquire is a thick skin, and not let things get to you.

People thumb me down, and all I did was quote the Bible.

I did not thumb you down Tcat.

TCat · « **Reply #7 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:42:38 PM »

if someone shoots me I will roast in purgatory. I deserve it

Matto · « **Reply #8 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:48:17 PM »

I think if I am lucky enough to be saved I will spend some time in purgatory. I am not close to perfect, and as I understand it, only those who are perfect when they die go to heaven without purgatory. Unless I somehow get martyred; then I might avoid purgatory.

shin · « **Reply #9 on:** August 22, 2013, 03:51:48 PM »

The amount of penance due for each sin according to justice appears to be quite large from the perspective of folks nowadays. I like to think of indulgences as going 'along with' the penance.

An indulgence really is someone else doing your penance for you, or, more rather more nicely put I think, along with you.

The Church does you the favor of gaining you that help, if you request it, and do the acts of penance she particularly prescribes.

I know folks when they read 'quarantines' and such don't understand it well often enough. The more you get into the mindset of sin requiring A LOT of penance, and the need to go on pilgrimages, etc. to make a beginning of it.. in other words get in touch with Christendom or simply being a Christian as it used to exist everywhere, and how one lives in it..

The more these things will appear natural.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #10 on:** August 22, 2013, 06:05:08 PM »

This prayer is NOT dogma, just a pious belief, a little story goes with the prayer if you care to click the link and read the entire short page.

http://tinyurl.com/m2x7urg

You might want to search also for the title of the prayer for more info. The prayer known as: Prayer for Daily Neglects

You might avoid Purgatory as the story goes.

Also if you live till the end of time, and since we are already in the Great Apostasy, who knows, God promised to shorten the time for the sake of the elect. That could be you. I have heard that at the end of time, Purgatory will no longer exist.

Have hope you might not see it. Purgatory, that is!

shin · « **Reply #11 on:** August 22, 2013, 06:14:36 PM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

This prayer is NOT dogma, just a pious belief, a little story goes with the prayer if you care to click the link and read the entire short page.

http://tinyurl.com/m2x7urg

You might want to search also for the title of the prayer for more info. The prayer known as: Prayer for Daily Neglects

You might avoid Purgatory as the story goes.

Also if you live till the end of time, and since we are already in the Great Apostasy, who knows, God promised to shorten the time for the sake of the elect. That could be you. I have heard that at the end of time, Purgatory will no longer exist.

Have hope you might not see it. Purgatory, that is!

That's one of my favorite prayers there.

poche · « **Reply #12 on:** August 22, 2013, 10:21:55 PM »

I pray with the intention to get whatever indulgence may benefit the souls n Purgatory

Cheryl · « **Reply #13 on:** August 23, 2013, 09:51:00 AM »

Quote from: MyrnaM

This prayer is NOT dogma, just a pious belief, a little story goes with the prayer if you care to click the link and read the entire short page.

http://tinyurl.com/m2x7urg

You might want to search also for the title of the prayer for more info. The prayer known as: Prayer for Daily Neglects

You might avoid Purgatory as the story goes.

Also if you live till the end of time, and since we are already in the Great Apostasy, who knows, God promised to shorten the time for the sake of the elect. That could be you. I have heard that at the end of time, Purgatory will no longer exist.

Have hope you might not see it. Purgatory, that is!

Thank you Myrna!

StCeciliasGirl · « **Reply #14 on:** August 23, 2013, 11:30:19 AM »

I'm scared of vows, too. My mom made one to say the rosary daily before I was even born, but years later she was in an accident and got brain damage (that wasn't apparent for a few years). She was definitely unable to complete it. So I did it for her to help complete her vow, which was considered specious or even superstitious, but she's my mom. (My priest said it was unnecessary, but her priest said it was a lack of faith on my part. I didn't think it could hurt since she was unable). Mom had been so strict about fulfilling vows that I just did the rosary using her name, with intentions I thought she might have. On days where I was sick (flu, etc), I'd ask other family members to pray the rosary in Mom's name. It was such an ordeal that I've never vowed anything except remembering my Baptism, and Marriage. I say daily prayers for graces and partial indulgences with the 1910 Indulgences (PDF format that I saved to my hard drive and to Google Drive — I figure it's good to litter Google servers with something holy! Pictures, too.)

Mostly I try to commute plenaries to souls in Purgatory, esp those like Mom and other people I know personally (or who I know have passed from FB or here). I tell the priest of my intention to commute the indulgence, and then try to gain the indulgence. (Staying away from venials is a problem for me, so I have to set it up where there's not much time for me to sin before I gain the indulgence.) I have to have faith that when I've gone to my eternal rest, others will do the same for me. Probably way better than I do them.

If I've really bunged up, I go to Confession asap. Once the priest said I should do a plenary, so I did. But really I feel like I'm cheating someone in Purgatory out of a helping hand if I focus on my own (much needed) purgation too much.

Oh, I particularly enjoy visiting the graveyard Nov 1-8 and praying for those there, cleaning up their graves, making sure there are flowers; etc. There used to be a bunch of people doing the November graves, but now I'm pretty much the only one, me and the children. I find it very sad. They must not teach that in NO parishes much.