Author Topic: Prove or Disprove - CathInfo represents Typical Trad Catholic (Read 13709 times)

Matthew · « **on:** September 09, 2013, 07:10:24 AM »

My thesis:

CathInfo is an accurate sampling (or subset) of what a person would encounter if they visited a randomly selected SSPX "Resistance"/SSPX/SSPV/CMRI/Independent chapel.*

*Keeping in mind that people are often more argumentative, and less "nice" in general, online vs. in person or even on the phone.

To elaborate a bit:

Show me a man who mostly enjoys the company of Trad Catholics, and I'll show you a man who mostly enjoys participating on CathInfo.

Show me a man who gets frustrated sometimes with how Trad Catholics behave, and I'll show you a man who gets frustrated sometimes with what he finds on CathInfo.

There's no reason why CathInfo wouldn't be an accurate sampling of Traditional Catholics, since it's a fact that I pretty much allow everyone here, as long as they will tolerate each other. I can't allow those who consider the forum to be filled with non-Catholics, of course. Certain types are eminently disruptive. But merely holding an unpopular opinion or being less than perfect in various ways does NOT revoke your "traditional Catholic" membership card. So it shouldn't revoke your CathInfo membership card either.

Unlike Angelqueen and other fora, no one can accuse me of "sculpting" CathInfo -- cherry picking and pruning the membership heavily until it becomes a collection of my own groupies and friends.

My goal for CathInfo is to remain REAL and representative of the Coffee & Donuts hall of the typical Trad chapel.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #1 on:** September 09, 2013, 07:22:36 AM »

Excellent!

Tiffany · « **Reply #2 on:** September 09, 2013, 07:32:27 AM »

Matthew I've never met folks who mock handicrafts, compare trad mothers who raised faithful Catholic adults to terrorists, demean trad fathers because they are poor, say that victims of murder and robbery deserve because they are poor. say that homeschooling = welfare lifestyle, say I'm a free whore, and accuse me of being a feminist for asking about natural alternatives for female problems.

Matthew personality differences or unpopular is not the same as someone attacking and being hostile towards a Christian lifestyle.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #3 on:** September 09, 2013, 07:36:43 AM »

At at a real hall everyone is downstairs sipping on coffee and chomping down on a donut, there people talking about other people. And right after Mass too.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #4 on:** September 09, 2013, 07:40:37 AM »

Quote from: Tiffany

Matthew I've never met folks who mock handicrafts, compare trad mothers who raised faithful Catholic adults to terrorists, demean trad fathers because they are poor, say that victims of murder and robbery deserve because they are poor. say that homeschooling = welfare lifestyle, say I'm a free whore, and accuse me of being a feminist for asking about natural alternatives for female (Yes, that is terrible).

(Blessed are the poor....)

Matthew · « **Reply #5 on:** September 09, 2013, 08:02:09 AM »

Quote from: Tiffany

Matthew I've never met folks who mock handicrafts, compare trad mothers who raised faithful Catholic adults to terrorists, demean trad fathers because they are poor, say that victims of murder and robbery deserve because they are poor. say that homeschooling = welfare lifestyle, say I'm a free whore, and accuse me of being a feminist for asking about natural alternatives for female problems.

Matthew personality differences or unpopular is not the same as someone attacking and being hostile towards a Christian lifestyle.

You're kidding! Is there someone like that on CathInfo right now? Where is this man, that I may ban him!!! :rolleyes:

Seriously, I doubt he said it exactly that way. Like some of his "opponents", he's probably exaggerating the other side's position because he's human (with emotions) and easily gets angry, frustrated, etc. during a hot debate.

Can you provide quotes?

Anyhow, I do correct people when they cross the line. Calling anyone here a whore is not acceptable, on any forum, much less a Catholic one.

I'm being serious now: Show me the quote of this man who called you "a free whore", that I may temp-ban him for 3 days and give him his (one) warning before his FINAL, permanent banning. Such language is NOT tolerated here on CathInfo.

But I've said it before -- CathInfo is too popular and too busy for me to read every post. I haven't been able to do that for many years. You have to report the bad stuff, and not assume that "someone else will report it."

I hope this helps,

Matthew

Matthew · « **Reply #6 on:** September 09, 2013, 08:08:50 AM »

Quote from: Tiffany

Matthew I've never met folks who mock handicrafts, compare trad mothers who raised faithful Catholic adults to terrorists

I have. IRL.

There are plenty of traditional Catholics who are far from the "separate from the world" Catholic ideal.

Just to take one small example, there are PLENTY of trad Catholics that have no use for gardening, the rural lifestyle, simple lifestyle or "living on less", handcrafts, reading books, frugality, etc. They like their modern world, their material things, modern music, TV, air conditioning, bustling city life, and the company of non-Catholics.

You need to look around more (IRL) and you'd be shocked and scandalized at what some Trads do, how they live, and what they believe. Travel a bit; visit some other trad chapels. I guarantee it -- you'll think you're at a live version of CathInfo.

Zeitun · « **Reply #7 on:** September 09, 2013, 08:33:10 AM »

I agree Matthew. Many "trads" are neo-nαzιs and there's yet another hot thread on that topic. One is either a Jєω hater or Jєω lover. I'm glad CathInfo can bring this important issue of unjust nαzι hating to the surface.

Just another reason to distance oneself from the SSPX. Maybe they really have been infiltrated.

Tiffany · « **Reply #8 on:** September 09, 2013, 08:47:53 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Tiffany
Matthew I've never met folks who mock handicrafts, compare trad mothers who raised faithful Catholic adults to terrorists

I have. IRL.

There are plenty of traditional Catholics who are far from the "separate from the world" Catholic ideal.

Just to take one small example, there are PLENTY of trad Catholics that have no use for gardening, the rural lifestyle, simple lifestyle or "living on less", handcrafts, reading books, frugality, etc. They like their modern world, their material things, modern music, TV, air conditioning, bustling city life, and the company of non-Catholics.

You need to look around more (IRL) and you'd be shocked and scandalized at what some Trads do, how they live, and what they believe. Travel a bit; visit some other trad chapels. I guarantee it -- you'll think you're at a live version of CathInfo.

Matthew huge difference between people who don't want a rural lifestyle/frugal living but can still admire/appreciate "honest folk" trying to live vs those who just demean it. I know women who do not want to homeschool, never will, but they don't demean me for doing it.

Not everyone that is worldly or a different religion attacks others more conservative.

Midas Welby · « **Reply #9 on:** September 09, 2013, 08:50:41 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

But merely holding an unpopular opinion or being less than perfect in various ways does NOT revoke your "traditional Catholic" membership card. So it shouldn't revoke your CathInfo membership card either.

I am confused about this. I just noticed a member named "Cathedra" was banned a couple of days ago, and the reason posted is:

Banned for dogmatic sedevacantism (schism, or separation from other Catholics).

From what I know, this mentality is very common among independent chapels and even with the CMRI and SSPV.

I also wonder, if schism is separation from other Catholics, how did/does the SSPX escape the accusation of schism since they have always been militantly separate from all sedevacantists?

Matthew · « **Reply #10 on:** September 09, 2013, 09:03:11 AM »

Quote from: Zeitun

I agree Matthew. Many "trads" are neo-nαzιs and there's yet another hot thread on that topic. One is either a Jєω hater or Jєω lover. I'm glad CathInfo can bring this important issue of unjust nαzι hating to the surface.

Just another reason to distance oneself from the SSPX. Maybe they really have been infiltrated.

A couple decades ago I actually met (again, IRL) a family that seemed to be into the white supremacy thing. The man of the house (who went to church at my chapel) was bald with sideburns -- he struck me as being very "southern". But here is why I think the family had "issues" -- one Sunday, they brought one of their relatives to church. This relative had a swastika tattoo on his forehead.

I'm not joking.

So yes, having a couple of neo-nαzιs is actually part of the recipe if I'm trying to end up with a good cross-section of the Traditional Movement.

Nevertheless, for the sake of not scandalizing most people, and for the sake of CathInfo's reputation, I try to get rid of those who are fond of Hitler, who cross the line, etc. (I bet a few members keep certain beliefs to themselves, so they can stick around.)

I had to ban one guy over a dozen times, because he kept coming back!

As an aside, I'm not a white supremacist myself; I'd describe myself as a "race realist". I hold that A) races exist, and should exist and B) it is a praiseworthy thing to love your family, your country, and your people in a special way. Also, it is praiseworthy to be glad that you are part of that family/country/people. It is how God made us. C) God is into hierarchy and inequality, and that includes the races of men, and of course D) the Faith comes first. One should feel closer to a Catholic of another race than to a heretic or apostate of your own race. Who are you planning to spend eternity with, anyhow?

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** September 09, 2013, 09:11:05 AM »

Quote from: Midas Welby

Quote from: Matthew
But merely holding an unpopular opinion or being less than perfect in various ways does NOT revoke your "traditional Catholic" membership card. So it shouldn't revoke your CathInfo membership card either.

I am confused about this. I just noticed a member named "Cathedra" was banned a couple of days ago, and the reason posted is:

Banned for dogmatic sedevacantism (schism, or separation from other Catholics).

From what I know, this mentality is very common among independent chapels and even with the CMRI and SSPV.

I also wonder, if schism is separation from other Catholics, how did/does the SSPX escape the accusation of schism since they have always been militantly separate from all sedevacantists?

1. It isn't true that the SSPX is "militantly separate" from all sedevacantists. +Lefebvre wasn't "militantly" against them; he didn't embrace the position but certainly entertained it. The SSPX of late is treating Sedevacantism like the worst sin in existence. But that's the new "neo-SSPX" of liberal, novus ordo-leaning tendencies. See the "SSPX-Rome" subforum for details.

2. There have been Sedes at all SSPX chapels. Some keep to themselves; some are quite open about their beliefs.

3. My banning of "dogmatic Sedevacantists" is quite necessary. I can't have people coming here considering 99.9% of the members to be non-Catholics. Dogmatic sedevacantists consider Sedevacantism to be a dogma of the Faith (ridiculous, I know), or at least that is how they act. They think SV is necessary for salvation, and that anyone who doesn't embrace SV is either of bad will, or ignorant.

Most members here are well aware of SV and its arguments, so dogmatic SVs consider us to be heretics, of bad will, non-Catholic, etc.

Such a person would disrupt the forum too much to permit him to stay. They are the extremists of the Trad world. The ones who can't be at rest unless they're more hardcore than everyone else.

The definition of Schism is to cut oneself off from the Church and communion with other Catholics. If you declare a few hundred Catholics to be "non-Catholic" and treat them as formally excommunicated vitandi ("to be avoided"), that is Schism.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #12 on:** September 09, 2013, 09:12:38 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Zeitun
I agree Matthew. Many "trads" are neo-nαzιs and there's yet another hot thread on that topic. One is either a Jєω hater or Jєω lover. I'm glad CathInfo can bring this important issue of unjust nαzι hating to the surface.

Just another reason to distance oneself from the SSPX. Maybe they really have been infiltrated.

A couple decades ago I actually met (again, IRL) a family that seemed to be into the white supremacy thing. The man of the house (who went to church at my chapel) was bald with sideburns -- he struck me as being very "southern". But here is why I think the family had "issues" -- one Sunday, they brought one of their relatives to church. This relative had a swastika tattoo on his forehead.

I'm not joking.

So yes, having a couple of neo-nαzιs is actually part of the recipe if I'm trying to end up with a good cross-section of the Traditional Movement.

Nevertheless, for the sake of not scandalizing most people, and for the sake of CathInfo's reputation, I try to get rid of those who are fond of Hitler, who cross the line, etc. (I bet a few members keep certain beliefs to themselves, so they can stick around.)

I had to ban one guy over a dozen times, because he kept coming back!

As an aside, I'm not a white supremacist myself; I'd describe myself as a "race realist". I hold that A) races exist, and should exist and B) it is a praiseworthy thing to love your family, your country, and your people in a special way. Also, it is praiseworthy to be glad that you are part of that family/country/people. It is how God made us. C) God is into hierarchy and inequality, and that includes the races of men, and of course D) the Faith comes first. One should feel closer to a Catholic of another race than to a heretic or apostate of your own race. Who are you planning to spend eternity with, anyhow?

Matthew, my sentiments exactly! Thank you!

Tiffany · « **Reply #13 on:** September 09, 2013, 09:17:25 AM »

If everyone at coffee & donuts is talking trash or misguided it should be corrected. Apart from the differences between "not for me" and hostility, why is chapel coffee & donuts your standard for a board that is for Catholics?

Tiffany · « **Reply #14 on:** September 09, 2013, 09:20:08 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Tiffany
Matthew I've never met folks who mock handicrafts, compare trad mothers who raised faithful Catholic adults to terrorists, demean trad fathers because they are poor, say that victims of murder and robbery deserve because they are poor. say that homeschooling = welfare lifestyle, say I'm a free whore, and accuse me of being a feminist for asking about natural alternatives for female problems.

Matthew personality differences or unpopular is not the same as someone attacking and being hostile towards a Christian lifestyle.

You're kidding! Is there someone like that on CathInfo right now? Where is this man, that I may ban him!!! :rolleyes:

Seriously, I doubt he said it exactly that way. Like some of his "opponents", he's probably exaggerating the other side's position because he's human (with emotions) and easily gets angry, frustrated, etc. during a hot debate.

Can you provide quotes?

Anyhow, I do correct people when they cross the line. Calling anyone here a whore is not acceptable, on any forum, much less a Catholic one.

I'm being serious now: Show me the quote of this man who called you "a free whore", that I may temp-ban him for 3 days and give him his (one) warning before his FINAL, permanent banning. Such language is NOT tolerated here on CathInfo.

But I've said it before -- CathInfo is too popular and too busy for me to read every post. I haven't been able to do that for many years. You have to report the bad stuff, and not assume that "someone else will report it."

I hope this helps,

Matthew

We already went round this before, you said people know I don't live with men, but you never banned Ggreg.