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Offline Santiago

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« on: December 07, 2012, 01:45:01 AM »
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  • Many Protestants believe that the end of time is near. Very near. Their belief is based on their judgements based on the Bible alone, and nothing else, except of course the words of their pastors.

    Many eras in history had been chaotic (although some are more chaotic than the others). Some Protestants think that the Pope is the Anti-Christ, but the Papacy has been in existence since A.D. 33 (it's 1979 years of existence now).
    Consequently, it can't help that Protestants in every age thought that the end of time is near because the "Anti-Christ" existed in every age since A.D.33.

    If God has sent us so many advices and teachings through the saints and Church hierarchy, and you refuse to listen and instead pretend that the Bible is the only authority which was written 2000 years ago, then you are bound to get confused by current events and would make wrong judgements.


    (When I said Protestants in every age, I meant Protestants in every age since A.D. 1517, when Martin Luther revolted against the Pope.)









    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #1 on: December 07, 2012, 03:40:28 AM »
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  • Okay, this is pretty good.  But I have some suggestions:


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    Many Protestants believe that the end of time is near. Very near. Their belief is based on their judgements based on the Bible alone, and nothing else, except of course the words of their pastors.


    Several good points there.  I would add that many Protestants think
    that the 1000 year reign of Christ is still in the future, and that they
    will be "taken up, into the air" to be with St. Paul (they call him "Paul"
    because they don't believe in the power of the Pope to canonize a
    saint!) so that they can escape the rigors of the Great Tribulation.  

    The Protestant false doctrine of sola scriptura has an interesting past,
    which includes some editions of the Bible that actually added the word
    "alone" to the phrase "all scripture is useful.." and the like.  They gave
    up on that idea.  But they still teach the doctrine anyway, erroneously.

    For the Bible itself teaches otherwise.  See the end of St. John.

    And they deny Tradition as a source of dogma, even while, as you say,
    they introduce their own traditions by way of whatever their pastor
    has to say about anything.  Surreal is a good word to describe this.

    A priest explained it rather well saying that the Bible and Tradition are
    like two wings for a bird, and the bird cannot fly with only one wing.  
    So too, Catholic theology soars high in the sky, while Protestant
    theology flops around on the ground, unable to take to the "wing!"

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    Many eras in history had been chaotic (although some are more chaotic than the others). Some Protestants think that the Pope is the Anti-Christ, but the Papacy has been in existence since A.D. 33 (it's 1979 years of existence now).


    Actually, it is most common for Prots to deny that St. Peter was a pope at
    all.  They say that the word "pope" isn't in the Bible, therefore there was
    no pope in those days, and the so-called Catholic church (sic) was a myth,
    and that Constantine was the worst thing to happen to the church (sic).

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    Consequently, it can't help that Protestants in every age thought that the end of time is near because the "Anti-Christ" existed in every age since A.D.33.


    That's a good one.  They don't like to hear logic like that.  It makes them
    nervous.  They instinctively jump topic to something else when you say
    stuff like that.  They've been trained like Pavlov's dogs, to respond with
    uncontrollable leaps of thought to another subject whenever they get
    stuck in a problem, and they will never settle down to think about the
    problem, because it is too uncomfortable.  In fact, they actually believe
    that this sensation of discomfort is an effect of the 'holy spirit' in them.  
    And whenever they feel a physical sensation that is convenient to
    interpret as such, it is the same 'holy spirit' giving them goosepimples.

    This alone is a good reason for Catholics to always use the term Holy
    Ghost
    when referring to the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity.

    Another good reason is that the so-called spirit of Vat.II had/has nothing
    to do with the Holy Ghost, but was rather the unclean spirit of Vat.II.

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    If God has sent us so many advices and teachings through the saints and Church hierarchy, and you refuse to listen and instead pretend that the Bible is the only authority which was written 2000 years ago, then you are bound to get confused by current events and would make wrong judgements.


    This is correct.  And I would suggest an additional nuance for this doctrine
    that helps a lot, because a little logic goes a long way.  It is absurd to
    say that a book can be an authority in the fullest sense.  Any book needs
    to have interpretation.  That's why we have a Supreme Court (in the USA)
    because the written law and the Constitution cannot stand on their own,
    but need to have a living intellect to say what it means and what it doesn't
    mean.  That's why the Bible "alone" cannot be an adequate authority.  
    Someone needs to be a living witness to say Yay or Nay on any point of
    contention.  And therefore the Pope has infallible power to define dogma.

    Although, this power has been in mothballs for the past 50 years.


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    (When I said Protestants in every age, I meant Protestants in every age since A.D. 1517, when Martin Luther revolted against the Pope.)




    Yes, there were fortunately no official protestants before Luther.  There
    were many who would have liked to be so, but there was not yet any
    movement sufficient to give them the ostensible power they needed to
    step off the barque of Peter.  To "walk the plank," as it were!



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    « Reply #2 on: December 11, 2012, 05:48:43 PM »
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  • Someone said he doesn't believe the end of the world is near. And he listed several reasons in support of his argument. They are

    - Conversion of whole world must happen before it. China and Israel never converted.
    - Chinese Christian civilization should appear before it.
    - Anti-Christ didn't appear yet.
    - St John Bosco prophecized THAT Europe will return to Church after apostasy. It didn't happen yet.
    - In Fatima in 1917, Mother Mary prophecized there will be an era of peace after mankind repent.

    Now, does anybody disagree with these arguments ?
    Is there any flaw in these arguments ?

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    « Reply #3 on: December 11, 2012, 09:13:55 PM »
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  • The best argument against a Protestant is something I used recently at my university on a "youth minister" who was completely floored by it  :roll-laugh2:

    Q. All of these protestant sects teach different stuff right? They contradict each other on a lot of points?

    A. Right, but everyone is guided by the Holy Spirit to interpret the Bible and find the truth!

    Q. So the Holy Spirit contradicts Himself?

    A. ................Well, I can't explain that.


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    « Reply #4 on: December 13, 2012, 08:09:03 PM »
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  • Are the following arguments valid ?

    Conversion of whole world must happen before the end of time. Now China and Israel have not converted yet. China is still persecuting Christians and Israel is still waiting for her messiah.

    Christian civilizations should appear throughout the whole world to glorify God - before the end of time. This didn't happen yet.

    Anti-Christ didn't appear yet.

    Saint John Bosco prophesied that Europe will return to the Church after her apostasy. This didn't happen yet.

    In Fatima in 1917, Mother Mary prophesied there will be an era of peace after mankind repented.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 13, 2012, 08:34:50 PM »
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  • Sorry, some modifications:


    Are the following arguments valid ?

    Conversion of the whole world must happen before the end of time. Now China and Israel have not converted yet. China is still persecuting Christians and Israel is still waiting for her messiah.

    The coming of the "Reign of Mary" was prophesied by Mother Mary in Fatima in 1917 and also by Saint Louis de Montfort of France. It didn't happen yet.

    Anti-Christ didn't appear yet.

    Saint John Bosco prophesied that Europe will return to the Church after her apostasy. This didn't happen yet.

    Christian civilizations should appear throughout the whole world to glorify God - before the end of time. This didn't happen yet.

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    « Reply #6 on: December 14, 2012, 01:25:22 AM »
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  • I'm exhausted but this deserves at least one comment....

    Catholics are NOT, repeat NOT to be concerned with, or even curious about, this matter.  PERIOD!

    Whatever some bunch of heretics, schismatics or even barbarians do to amuse themselves is also none of our concern.

    They're nuts.

    We ain't.

    Be grateful.

    Good night.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 14, 2012, 04:48:29 AM »
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  • Quote from: Santiago
    Sorry, some modifications:


    Are the following arguments valid ?

    Conversion of the whole world must happen before the end of time. Now China and Israel have not converted yet. China is still persecuting Christians and Israel is still waiting for her messiah.

    The coming of the "Reign of Mary" was prophesied by Mother Mary in Fatima in 1917 and also by Saint Louis de Montfort of France. It didn't happen yet.

    Anti-Christ didn't appear yet.

    Saint John Bosco prophesied that Europe will return to the Church after her apostasy. This didn't happen yet.

    Christian civilizations should appear throughout the whole world to glorify God - before the end of time. This didn't happen yet.



    Personally, I don't have any problem with these items.  We sure do have
    what appears to be a great big apostasy going on, worldwide.  

    But for a remnant of faithful Catholics, the faith is very obscure today.

    It somehow does not seem to be quite as bad as Matt. 24 seems to say
    it will become, however.  And as such, the part about these days shall
    be shortened for the sake of the elect does not quite seem to be literally
    happening, yet.

    Ask me again after December 22nd!  HAHAHAHAHAHA



    As for the Protestants, they're all over the map.  The one thing they
    seem to have in common is the desire to think they know what they're
    talking about.  But as brainglitch so aptly pointed out, does the Holy
    Ghost therefore contradict Himself?  

    The key point, it seems to me, is that Protestants categorically have
    accepted the false doctrine that the effect of the Holy Ghost on a person
    is something that can be physically felt.  And that is a big problem.

    So too, the Novus Ordo false ecuмenism and Freemasonic "fraternity"
    teaches that Catholics are all right in accepting this heresy.  

    Protestants believe, universally in my experience, that the Holy Ghost
    (they most usually say Holy Spirit) is discernible by a tingling in your
    fingertips, a bit of an electric shock in your nerves, an increase in
    blood pressure or temperature of your body, a quickening of your
    heart rate or some vague turning of your stomach (they wouldn't use
    that term, though!).  Not only that, they go so far as to conclude that
    therefore, if you do not feel these things, you probably don't "have the
    spirit in you," really.  

    In regards to the end of time, Prots I've known are skeptical that there
    have always been fringe groups that have believed the end of the world
    is imminent.  Even the contemporaries of the Apostles thought that the
    world did not have long to endure, 2,000 years ago.

    At the same time, there are some who think that either we've only got
    a few more years, or, that Jesus is going to return and be King of the
    World for 1,000 years first, and THEN the end will come.  But in either
    case, there will be a great tribulation that occurs, probably soon, and
    all faithful Christians (those who are 'saved' that is) will be caught up
    into the air (St. Paul's Epistle I Thes. iv. 16), and thereby would escape
    the discomfort of the tribulation.  That is, Protestants all believe that
    God would not have them suffer if they are 'saved' and therefore, it
    seems that to them being 'saved' means no suffering for them, whether
    it is here on earth or in eternity.  And that includes Purgatory.  But most
    curiously, the same Saint Paul did not escape the tribulation himself,
    but rather met it "head on" by means of a heavy sword to his personal
    neck.

    So it would seem that there are two categories of consistency with all
    Protestants:  A)  They believe they each are their own pope, for they
    are personally infallible, and  B)  They believe that once they have been
    'saved' they are therefore spared any suffering, for to suffer is an
    evil thing, and they are 'saved' from all such evil.  

    Regarding the first one, I like to quote the infallible definition of Pope
    Boniface VIII in Unam Sanctam A.D. 1303:  "Furthermore, we declare,
    we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation
    that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

    And regarding the second one, it's a bit more simple:

     "You're not saved until you're dead."



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    « Reply #8 on: December 16, 2012, 04:40:03 PM »
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  • This is essentially about the forecming NWO Anti Christ, which Protestants, J EWs and Muslims cheer on, their religions are Freemasonic.

    They worship a Fire Lord, a burning bush GOD, (Jєωs worship Lucifer)



    Albert Pike and, hence, the whole Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ:
    “Lucifer, the Light-bearer!  Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness!  Lucifer, the Son of the Morning!  Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls?  Doubt it not!”



    “In a hundred years time… bishops and priests will think they are marching behind the banner of the keys of Peter, when in fact they will be following our flag… The reforms will have to be brought about in the name of obedience.” - Masonic Blueprint: Alta Vendita, 1818


    Very Itereting insight:

    'The Lord' is Not God, The Lord is the Devil.  
    There was a code in the Catholic bible, a distinction between OUR Lord (Jesus Christ) and The Lord, up until Protestants infiltrated the Douai-Rheims College and produced heretical bibles starting in 1749.  
    These “Challoner” texts are most definitely not Catholic bibles, but today, all “Catholic” bibles are based on Challoner’s edition of 1752.  It’s no wonder the seminaries believe and promote lies as all of their texts have been edited.  There are 2,000 heretical changes of names, most notably between “Our Lord” and “The Lord” in these editions!
     This mixed up the bible code, the meanings, eventually the Mass, and literally formed the foundation for the lies that allowed the meek College of Cardinals in the 1960’s to eclipse the weak church into one that formally venerates Lucifer.  This book includes shocking proof of this with, you guessed it, pre-1749 Catholic bibles, which are difficult to find now.  
    You must know that Catholic teaching is that Sola Scriptura or, faith in the Bible alone, is not the Catholic Faith.  The Traditions are the Catholic Faith.  
    When they are destroyed and replaced by the teachings of the Bible, it’s time to watch out.  Hint: It is not right to give “The Lord” thanks and praise.'

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OVJ8muW9uv0J:www.fatimamovement.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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    « Reply #9 on: December 17, 2012, 06:06:03 AM »
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  • Quote from: SaintAidan1


    ... forecming ....

    ... Itereting ...

    ...  Hint: It is not right to give “The Lord” thanks and praise.' ...

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OVJ8muW9uv0J:www.fatimamovement.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us



    Did you mean:  "forthcoming?"  

    And:  "Interesting?"  

    And:  "Hint: 'It is “not” right to give “The Lord” thanks and praise'."?
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    « Reply #10 on: December 17, 2012, 11:34:23 AM »
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    ... forecming ....

    ... Itereting ...

    ...  Hint: It is not right to give “The Lord” thanks and praise.' ...

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OVJ8muW9uv0J:www.fatimamovement.com/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us



    Did you mean:  "forthcoming?"  

    And:  "Interesting?"  

    And:  "Hint: 'It is “not” right to give “The Lord” thanks and praise'."?


    Yes, much obliged, as I did not activate my spell check.
    Of course I meant Forthcoming and Interesting.

    And NO, 'THE Lord' is Heretical, Masonic and some say Anti Christ-Lucifer, Catholics must always say and reference OUR Lord.

    Old docuмents and manuscripts always direct us to do so.