Author Topic: Protestant rant against Catholicism (Read 1482 times)

Alex · « **Reply #5 on:** May 18, 2008, 04:14:36 AM »

Quote from: jesusissavior

Roman Catholicism is the biggest CULT in the world! There is NOTHING in the Bible about purgatory.

OBJECTION: Purgatory is not in the Bible

REFUTATION:

Revelation 21:27

"But nothing unclean shall enter it, nor any one who practices abomination or falsehood, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life."[/color]

This verse shows the logical necessity for purgatory. We are all sinners and will require God's mercy to enter heaven. Even though we may be forgiven for our sins, there is still a price to pay; "I tell you, you will never get out until you have paid the very last copper [penny]". Luke 12:59. To stand before God, we must be perfect and pure in every way. Even the smallest "white" lie will require purification prior to our entry into heaven.

1 Corinthians 3:14-15

"If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire."[/color]

The word "purgatory" isn't in the Bible but a thrid place is described in several places. This verse is a reference to the suffering one must undergo for purification. Since the Bible doesn't name this third place, the Catholic Church gave it a name for the purpose of discussion. Similarily, the Catholic Church also gave names to the Trinity, the Incarnation, the Hypostatic Union, etc. Purgatory is the final purification for one who is already saved but not purified to enter heaven where nothing impure can enter.

Matthew 12:32

"And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."[/color]

This verse implies that some sins can be forgiven in the next age (or "world" in some translations). If someone dies and goes to hell, they will not be forgiven any of their sins. There is no sin to be forgiven in heaven since nothing unclean may enter. Therefore, the only logical explanation is a third place where sins are forgiven. The Catholic Church calls this place purgatory.

Alex · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2008, 04:31:00 AM »

Here's a couple more proving the existence of a place of purgation for the dead who are saved.

2 Maccabees 12:46

"Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."[/color]

The Jews didn't consider it a waste of time to pray for the dead. Jesus was a Jew and in all scripture He never condemned the practice of praying for the dead or offering atonement for them. This was a common practice and this verse shows a situation in which soldiers were found to have worn a type of good luck charm which was forbidden. They were killed in battle and thus died in a state of sin which required atonement for offenses against God. This presumes a third intermediate state where atonement can be made (Purgatory).

Matthew 12:26

"Every idle word that men shall speak, they shall render an account for it in the day of judgment.'' [/color]

No can can think that God will condemn a soul to hell for every idle word; therefore there must be another place of punishment for those that die guilty of these little transgressions.

clare · « **Reply #7 on:** May 18, 2008, 05:49:27 AM »

Ok, jesusissavior. I'm convinced! :sign-surrender:

(not)

Matthew · « **Reply #8 on:** May 18, 2008, 07:52:48 AM »

I wont permit blasphemy against the Blessed Mother on this site (note the Marian blue theme), so I have no choice but to moderate his rubbish (and I do mean rubbish -- there's nothing original there, and nothing that hasn't been proven false about a MILLION times) and ban the user.

Matthew