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    The London Times newspaper is reporting that a group of cardinals who supported Pope Francis now want him to resign and be replaced by Cardinal Pietro Parolin because they fear his reforms will cause a schism "more disastrous" than the Reformation. The Times article draws on a report by the Vatican expert Antonio Socci, a prominent Italian Catholic journalist.

    Antonio Socci reports that it is the curial faction of the Holy See that backed the election of Jorge Mario Bergoglio out of "impatience with the rule of his predecessor, Pope Benedict XVI" that now wants Pope Francis to resign out of fear of an impending schism. The Times reports:

    "A large part of the cardinals who voted for him is very worried and the curia . . . that organised his election and has accompanied him thus far, without ever disassociating itself from him, is cultivating the idea of a moral suasion to convince him to retire.

    It was the latter faction who now believed that the Pope should resign and who would like to replace him with Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican secretary of state, Mr Socci said. He believed that the group numbered around a dozen, but the importance of the members counts more than their number. Four years after Benedict XVI’s renunciation and Bergoglio’s arrival on the scene, the situation of the Catholic church has become explosive, perhaps really on the edge of a schism, which could be even more disastrous than Luther’s [who is today being rehabilitated by the Bergoglio church].

    The cardinals are worried that the church could be shattered as an institution. There are many indirect ways in which the pressure might be exerted."

    The Times reports an expert on the Vatican gave this assessment of the latest development:

    "A good number of the majority that voted for Bergoglio in 2013 have come to regret their decision, but I don’t think it’s plausible that members of the hierarchy will pressure the Pope to resign. Those who know him know it would be useless. [He] has a very authoritarian streak. He won’t resign until he has completed his revolutionary reforms, which are causing enormous harm."

    Antonio Socci reports that the significance of this development is that the group who want Pope Francis to resign are not the "conservative" cardinals who have opposed the Holy Father's innovations, "What was significant, he said, was that the doubters were not the conservative cardinals who had been in open opposition to the Pope since early in his reign."
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    Pro-Pope Francis cardinals want him to resign to avoid schism
    « Reply #1 on: March 03, 2017, 04:38:33 AM »
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  • You’ll probably soon see references (if you haven’t already) to a report in the London Times with a sensational title: Anti-reform cardinals ‘want the Pope to quit’. Proceed with caution. Based entirely on a story by Vatican journalist Antonio Socci, the Times report offers nothing but hearsay evidence, and does not even name a single cardinal involved in the alleged move to prompt the Pope’s resignation. The story is, to put it mildly, speculative.

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    Pro-Pope Francis cardinals want him to resign to avoid schism
    « Reply #2 on: March 03, 2017, 04:43:32 AM »
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  • From the Code of Canon Law;

    Can. 332 §1. The Roman Pontiff obtains full and supreme power in the Church by his acceptance of legitimate election together with episcopal consecration. Therefore, a person elected to the supreme pontificate who is marked with episcopal character obtains this power from the moment of acceptance. If the person elected lacks episcopal character, however, he is to be ordained a bishop immediately.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P16.HTM

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    Pro-Pope Francis cardinals want him to resign to avoid schism
    « Reply #3 on: March 03, 2017, 04:45:20 AM »
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  • From the Code of Canon Law;

    3. No appeal or recourse is permitted against a sentence or decree of the Roman Pontiff.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P16.HTM

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    Pro-Pope Francis cardinals want him to resign to avoid schism
    « Reply #4 on: March 03, 2017, 04:54:28 AM »
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  • From the Code of Canon Law;

    Can.  1404 The First See is judged by no one.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P5A.HTM


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    Pro-Pope Francis cardinals want him to resign to avoid schism
    « Reply #5 on: March 03, 2017, 08:38:18 AM »
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  • It was the following quote that caught my eye:

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    the situation of the Catholic Conciliar church has become explosive, perhaps really on the edge of a schism


    Kind of like watching a train wreck.  

    In slow motion.

    In a rain storm.  

    During an earthquake.
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    Pro-Pope Francis cardinals want him to resign to avoid schism
    « Reply #6 on: March 08, 2017, 11:12:27 PM »
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  • So they are regretting electing Pope Francis?

    I don't understand how any cardinal in his right mind could have elected him in the first place.  Wasn't there any vetting?