What do people here think of those Novus Ordos who openly proclaim themselves to be against abortion and are always railing against it and posting photos and stories on Facebook about it etc. but who nonetheless practice contraception, either artificial or natural? Isn’t this the height of hypocrisy since both abortion and contraception have the same end, to prevent life from coming? And I mean those Novus Ordos who only had 2-3 children out of their own choosing; those who didn’t have any grave reasons to use NFP but simply decided for themselves 2-3 is the most they wanted to have. I know many of these “pro-life” Novus Ordo couples.

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What do people here think of those Novus Ordos who openly proclaim themselves to be against abortion and are always railing against it and posting photos and stories on Facebook about it etc. but who nonetheless practice contraception, either artificial or natural? Isn’t this the height of hypocrisy since both abortion and contraception have the same end, to prevent life from coming? And I mean those Novus Ordos who only had 2-3 children out of their own choosing; those who didn’t have any grave reasons to use NFP but simply decided for themselves 2-3 is the most they wanted to have. I know many of these “pro-life” Novus Ordo couples.

I think they will all be damned unless they repent of their sins. But I understand how some people condemn abortion but practice contraception because abortion if far worse because it is murder and sends a soul to hell.

Do you agree it's hypocritical? I can't stand it.

Both are evil and are mortally sinful.  With that being said, I can understand how a modern, worldly person could (erroneously) draw a moral distinction between preventing conception and actively killing an innocent life.

I also think it is error on your part to automatically assume a couple is either using artificial contraception or abusing NFP based solely on the number of children they have.  Fertility problems are far more common than many people know.

Amazingly, the Neo-Catechumenals actually oppose NFP and praise large families.

What a zoo the Novus Ordo is.

People in the Novus Ordo opose NFP? That's news to me. I thought all the conservatives used NFP and it was only those nutjobs in the SSPX MC like Father Chazal who opposed NFP.

I know the ones in "The Way" oppose NFP and they usually have large families, their very own leader, Arguello, has spoken against it, and "conservative" Novus Ordos have spoken against him and "The Way" priests because of it. Imagine that!

My sister unfortunately belongs to that group, and she told me herself she is against NFP. I couldn't believe it when she told me.

It is good to hear that some Novus Ordos oppose NFP. I just wish that they would become traditional so they could have a better chance of saving their souls.

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I know the ones in "The Way" oppose NFP and they usually have large families, their very own leader, Arguello, has spoken against it, and "conservative" Novus Ordos have spoken against him and "The Way" priests because of it. Imagine that!

My sister unfortunately belongs to that group, and she told me herself she is against NFP. I couldn't believe it when she told me.

It is good to hear that some Novus Ordos oppose NFP. I just wish that they would become traditional so they could have a better chance of saving their souls.

There is a local NO or family here that just welcomed their 10th child into the world. A wonderful family, whom I have great respect for. These folks came to the Latin Mass that was offered here, never having been, and were treated incredibly rude. When they went up for communion, not knowing that they weren't suppose to receive in the hand, the server put the paten over their hands- which is what the server was suppose to do. No problems there. But after Mass the family overheard the server snickering to his friends how awesome it felt to put the paten of their ignorant hands, and just generally making fun of them. They never returned. It made me so incredibly sad and angry about how arrogant some trads can be. These folks had a horrible first taste of tradition- I'm sure the devil is laughing in his victory. I've been praying that God would move them to return, despite their rude welcome. I know several other NO families who are opposed to NFP as well.

Anyway, I tell this story because I really do believe there are some sincere NO goers, who truly are ignorant about the Traditional Mass. Many of us come from the NO, afterall. We should always be careful to not be so proud of ourselves that it scares others away. Only by the grace of God do we know and love Tradition. We should pray for those in the NO that have eyes to see and ears to hear- I do believe there are more than we may think.

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I know the ones in "The Way" oppose NFP and they usually have large families, their very own leader, Arguello, has spoken against it, and "conservative" Novus Ordos have spoken against him and "The Way" priests because of it. Imagine that!

My sister unfortunately belongs to that group, and she told me herself she is against NFP. I couldn't believe it when she told me.

It is good to hear that some Novus Ordos oppose NFP. I just wish that they would become traditional so they could have a better chance of saving their souls.

There is a local NO or family here that just welcomed their 10th child into the world. A wonderful family, whom I have great respect for. These folks came to the Latin Mass that was offered here, never having been, and were treated incredibly rude. When they went up for communion, not knowing that they weren't suppose to receive in the hand, the server put the paten over their hands- which is what the server was suppose to do. No problems there. But after Mass the family overheard the server snickering to his friends how awesome it felt to put the paten of their ignorant hands, and just generally making fun of them. They never returned. It made me so incredibly sad and angry about how arrogant some trads can be. These folks had a horrible first taste of tradition- I'm sure the devil is laughing in his victory. I've been praying that God would move them to return, despite their rude welcome. I know several other NO families who are opposed to NFP as well.

Anyway, I tell this story because I really do believe there are some sincere NO goers, who truly are ignorant about the Traditional Mass. Many of us come from the NO, afterall. We should always be careful to not be so proud of ourselves that it scares others away. Only by the grace of God do we know and love Tradition. We should pray for those in the NO that have eyes to see and ears to hear- I do believe there are more than we may think.

Why weren't they warned Novus Ordo antics like CITH aren't allowed in the Latin Mass? You had no idea they would ever go?

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I know the ones in "The Way" oppose NFP and they usually have large families, their very own leader, Arguello, has spoken against it, and "conservative" Novus Ordos have spoken against him and "The Way" priests because of it. Imagine that!

My sister unfortunately belongs to that group, and she told me herself she is against NFP. I couldn't believe it when she told me.

It is good to hear that some Novus Ordos oppose NFP. I just wish that they would become traditional so they could have a better chance of saving their souls.

There is a local NO or family here that just welcomed their 10th child into the world. A wonderful family, whom I have great respect for. These folks came to the Latin Mass that was offered here, never having been, and were treated incredibly rude. When they went up for communion, not knowing that they weren't suppose to receive in the hand, the server put the paten over their hands- which is what the server was suppose to do. No problems there. But after Mass the family overheard the server snickering to his friends how awesome it felt to put the paten of their ignorant hands, and just generally making fun of them. They never returned. It made me so incredibly sad and angry about how arrogant some trads can be. These folks had a horrible first taste of tradition- I'm sure the devil is laughing in his victory. I've been praying that God would move them to return, despite their rude welcome. I know several other NO families who are opposed to NFP as well.

Anyway, I tell this story because I really do believe there are some sincere NO goers, who truly are ignorant about the Traditional Mass. Many of us come from the NO, afterall. We should always be careful to not be so proud of ourselves that it scares others away. Only by the grace of God do we know and love Tradition. We should pray for those in the NO that have eyes to see and ears to hear- I do believe there are more than we may think.

I find this story very interesting.  I know quite a few NO families that are really large with 10+ children.  I would warn you though, they are far more closer theologically and philosophically to Protestant Evangelicals than they are traditional Catholicism.  Their willingness to have a large family comes from practicing many fundamental life styles of the Evangelicals.  I mention this because the ones I know would go to a "Latin Mass" as long as it was offered by the diocese but they will never, ever go to an "unapproved" Mass.  They often find these little groups of like-minded individuals and cling together.  As nice as they may be and as conservative as they are, they are actually missing something very Catholic, IMO.  I bring this up because not everyone who has rejected the practice of NFP is a devout Catholic.  There are probably more Evangelical Protestants that embrace this lifestyle, the quiver-full movement, than there are Catholics.