Author Topic: Pre-1955 Breviary (Read 3323 times)

Lover of Truth · « **on:** February 25, 2014, 12:58:43 PM »

Anyone on God's green earth have any idea where I can get one?

Emitte Lucem Tuam · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2014, 02:57:21 PM »

I find alot of pre-vat II books on Ebay. Just type in the word breviary in the search bar and it will pull up quite a few of them for sale.

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2014, 03:22:54 PM »

abebooks.com is a good resource

here is one for $58,000 (plus $3 shipping)
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=8718185882&searchurl=sortby%3D1%26amp%3Btn%3Dbreviary

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2014, 03:30:30 PM »

A more reasonable selection
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=11404425680&searchurl=bsi%3D90%26amp%3Bkn%3DBREVIARY%26amp%3Bsortby%3D1%26amp%3Bx%3D37%26amp%3By%3D4

JohnAnthonyMarie · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2014, 03:34:33 PM »

There are also eBook versions from scan
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=9924622705&searchurl=kn%3DBreviarium%2BRomanum%26amp%3Bsts%3Dt%26amp%3Bx%3D44%26amp%3By%3D15

Memento · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2014, 04:04:49 PM »

4 volumes The Roman Breviary translated by John, Marquess of Bute 1908 (pre Pius X changes. - all English)
facsimiles

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bsi=0&kn=Breviary+The+roman+breviary+John+marquess&x=90&y=7&prevpage=2

Original 4 volumes $500.00 - at the end of page two

Ambrose · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2014, 06:04:35 PM »

Why buy an outdated Breviary when the Pope has approved the current one that is infallibly protected? :confused1:

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2014, 06:49:28 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Why buy an outdated Breviary when the Pope has approved the current one that is infallibly protected? :confused1:

Where do you want me to start my friend? I won't waste my time trying to convince you.

God bless and Mary keep my friend,
Keep up the good fight!
John

Matto · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2014, 06:54:58 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Why buy an outdated Breviary when the Pope has approved the current one that is infallibly protected? :confused1:

Both the old one and the new one were issued by true Popes. Some people prefer the older versions because they think they were better than the newer ones. The Same with the Missal. Some think the pre-1955 Missal is better than the one with the changes including the new holy week. Both versions were approved by true popes. One of them has to be better than the other.

Ambrose · « **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2014, 06:59:15 PM »

Quote from: Lover of Truth

Quote from: Ambrose
Why buy an outdated Breviary when the Pope has approved the current one that is infallibly protected? :confused1:

Where do you want me to start my friend? I won't waste my time trying to convince you.

God bless and Mary keep my friend,
Keep up the good fight!
John

Start by obeying the Church's laws and accepting that liturgical laws can be changed and are binding. When Pope Pius XII bound the Church to the new law all were bound and remain bound.

Ambrose · « **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2014, 07:00:54 PM »

Quote from: Matto

Quote from: Ambrose
Why buy an outdated Breviary when the Pope has approved the current one that is infallibly protected? :confused1:

Both the old one and the new one were issued by true Popes. Some people prefer the older versions because they think they were better than the newer ones. The Same with the Missal. Some think the pre-1955 Missal is better than the one with the changes including the new holy week. Both versions were approved by true popes. One of them has to be better than the other.

It is not for you, me, or any other non-authoritative person to judge which rite is better or worse. Our duty is to trust the Pope and obey his laws, as the laws of the Pope are the laws of the Church. They are spotless and holy.

AJNC · « **Reply #11 on:** February 25, 2014, 09:56:06 PM »

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2014, 05:13:43 AM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Quote from: Lover of Truth
Quote from: Ambrose
Why buy an outdated Breviary when the Pope has approved the current one that is infallibly protected? :confused1:

Where do you want me to start my friend? I won't waste my time trying to convince you.

God bless and Mary keep my friend,
Keep up the good fight!
John

Start by obeying the Church's laws and accepting that liturgical laws can be changed and are binding. When Pope Pius XII bound the Church to the new law all were bound and remain bound.

If you want to start a whole new debate again we can. You ended it and could not get past point one. Pius XII himself knows the truth of it now and would agree with all the SV clergy minus CMRI on the issue. If you want to set the Church strait start with them.

To recap. You were claiming that the real hierarchy is in the Novus Ordo structures. You thought you would win your point by saying I can't prove they are heretics. I said I do not have to prove they are heretics but merely have to take them at their word, they are members of a false sect. I say the hierarchy is right where it appears to be and the only place it can be with the traditional Catholic Bishops. You are stuck on disciplinary laws that are not applicable.

You have not convinced me to the contrary. We are allowed to disagree on the point until a Pope sets us straight. I don't condemn those of your position. You should not worry about us who stay clear of the Bugnini tinged nonsense. There are bigger fights to worry about in the doctrinal realm.

Talk to Ahearn, Collins, McMahon the SSPV clergy all the independent SV clergy and not to few non-SV independent clergy, I'm just a little guy. I'm okay without your thoughts on this particular issue and to be perfectly clear I am not interested in any advice you have for me on the issue.

Ambrose · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2014, 05:32:35 AM »

Quote from: Lover of Truth

Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: Lover of Truth
Quote from: Ambrose
Why buy an outdated Breviary when the Pope has approved the current one that is infallibly protected? :confused1:

Where do you want me to start my friend? I won't waste my time trying to convince you.

God bless and Mary keep my friend,
Keep up the good fight!
John

Start by obeying the Church's laws and accepting that liturgical laws can be changed and are binding. When Pope Pius XII bound the Church to the new law all were bound and remain bound.

If you want to start a whole new debate again we can. You ended it and could not get past point one. Pius XII himself knows the truth of it now and would agree with all the SV clergy minus CMRI on the issue. If you want to set the Church strait start with them.

To recap. You were claiming that the real hierarchy is in the Novus Ordo structures. You thought you would win your point by saying I can't prove they are heretics. I said I do not have to prove they are heretics but merely have to take them at their word, they are members of a false sect. I say the hierarchy is right where it appears to be and the only place it can be with the traditional Catholic Bishops. You are stuck on disciplinary laws that are not applicable.

You have not convinced me to the contrary. We are allowed to disagree on the point until a Pope sets us straight. I don't condemn those of your position. You should not worry about us who stay clear of the Bugnini tinged nonsense. There are bigger fights to worry about in the doctrinal realm.

Talk to Ahearn, Collins, McMahon the SSPV clergy all the independent SV clergy and not to few non-SV independent clergy, I'm just a little guy. I'm okay without your thoughts on this particular issue and to be perfectly clear I am not interested in any advice you have for me on the issue.

You are confusing two points. The identification of the hierarchy is a separate issue from Pope Pius XII's liturgical laws.

This matter (of the infallibility of the universal disciplinary laws) is doctrinal, but you obviously do not see that, and as you do not wish to discuss it, I will not discuss it with you.

I find the position that a received an approved rite of the Church can somehow be tinged with anything that can be evil, bad,or impious is just as dangerous of a position than many other modern errors.

Lover of Truth · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2014, 02:14:53 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Quote from: Lover of Truth
Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: Lover of Truth
Quote from: Ambrose
Why buy an outdated Breviary when the Pope has approved the current one that is infallibly protected? :confused1:

Where do you want me to start my friend? I won't waste my time trying to convince you.

God bless and Mary keep my friend,
Keep up the good fight!
John

Start by obeying the Church's laws and accepting that liturgical laws can be changed and are binding. When Pope Pius XII bound the Church to the new law all were bound and remain bound.

If you want to start a whole new debate again we can. You ended it and could not get past point one. Pius XII himself knows the truth of it now and would agree with all the SV clergy minus CMRI on the issue. If you want to set the Church strait start with them.

To recap. You were claiming that the real hierarchy is in the Novus Ordo structures. You thought you would win your point by saying I can't prove they are heretics. I said I do not have to prove they are heretics but merely have to take them at their word, they are members of a false sect. I say the hierarchy is right where it appears to be and the only place it can be with the traditional Catholic Bishops. You are stuck on disciplinary laws that are not applicable.

You have not convinced me to the contrary. We are allowed to disagree on the point until a Pope sets us straight. I don't condemn those of your position. You should not worry about us who stay clear of the Bugnini tinged nonsense. There are bigger fights to worry about in the doctrinal realm.

Talk to Ahearn, Collins, McMahon the SSPV clergy all the independent SV clergy and not to few non-SV independent clergy, I'm just a little guy. I'm okay without your thoughts on this particular issue and to be perfectly clear I am not interested in any advice you have for me on the issue.

You are confusing two points. The identification of the hierarchy is a separate issue from Pope Pius XII's liturgical laws.

This matter (of the infallibility of the universal disciplinary laws) is doctrinal, but you obviously do not see that, and as you do not wish to discuss it, I will not discuss it with you.

I find the position that a received an approved rite of the Church can somehow be tinged with anything that can be evil, bad,or impious is just as dangerous of a position than many other modern errors.

If you want to start a debate on the Bugnini changes start a new thread. I am seeking assistance for something specific. Your response departs from the issue of the thread.

I am not interested on your thoughts pertaining to the clergy who avoid anything reeking of Bugnini like the plague. I am not interested in discussing the topic with you. At least not on this thread. And not right now.

I have given my thoughts on the issue before and I will give them again if I feel inclined to do so.