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Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
« on: April 01, 2015, 11:09:40 PM »
What I read in the revelations of St. Catherine of Genoa concerning Purgatory made me think the way this thread is titled. Things like the souls there being happy with their punishment and not wanting it to be lessened, not really "suffering" in the real sense of suffering, the souls there not even being aware of the people who pray for them and many other things.

Before I read those revelations I had a sense of urgency for the "suffering" souls, but after it was like "Why am I even praying for them and what's the big deal if they actually desire to be where they are and to atone".

Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
« Reply #1 on: April 01, 2015, 11:28:10 PM »
Be careful... You are wading into dangerous territory... I warn you out of charity, not out of bad will.

"Epiphanius (Haer., lxxv, P.G., XLII, col. 513) complains that Aërius (fourth century) taught that prayers for the dead were of no avail. ... St. Bernard (Serm. lxvi in Cantic., P.L. CLXXXIII, col. 1098) states that the so-called 'Apostolici' (heretics from the 13th-14th centuries) denied purgatory and the utility of prayers for the departed."

Catholic Encyclopedia entry for "Purgatory"

I am not saying you are rejecting the notion of purgatory. Yet, I am saying that it is just as dangerous to reject the necessity of praying for souls in purgatory as it is denying it.

I think this is good occasion also to quote one of my favorite passages in Scripture:

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to use authority over the man: but to be in silence.

(I Timothy, ch. ii, verse xii)



Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2015, 11:29:31 PM »
The joy of the souls in Purgatory is great because they are among the elect of God and their place in Heaven is assured. However they are suffering greatly. It would greatly alleiviate their suffering if you were to pray for them.

Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2015, 11:48:06 PM »
St Padre Pio’s visions of the souls in Purgatory


In May, 1922, Padre Pio testified the following to the Bishop of Melfi, His Excellency Alberto Costa and also the superior of the friary, Padre Lorenzo of San Marco along with 5 other friars. One of the five friars, Fra Alberto D' Apolito of San Giovanni Rotondo wrote down the account as follows:


"While in the friary on a winter afternoon after a heavy snowfall, he was sitting by the fireplace one evening in the guest room, absorbed in prayer, when an old man, wearing an old-fashioned cloak still worn by southern Italian peasants at the time, sat down beside him. Concerning this man Pio states: ‘I could not imagine how he could have entered the friary at this time of night since all the doors are locked. I questioned him: 'Who are you? What do you want?'

The old man told him, "Padre Pio, I am Pietro Di Mauro, son of Nicola, nicknamed Precoco." He went on to say, "I died in this friary on the 18th of September, 1908, in cell number 4, when it was still a poorhouse. One night, while in bed, I fell asleep with a lighted cigar, which ignited the mattress and I died, suffocated and burned. I am still in Purgatory. I need a holy Mass in order to be freed. God permitted that I come and ask you for help."

According to Padre Pio: "After listening to him, I replied, 'Rest assured that tomorrow I will celebrate Mass for your liberation.' I arose and accompanied him to the door of the friary, so that he could leave. I did not realize at that moment that the door was closed and locked: I opened it and bade him farewell The moon lit up the square, covered with snow. When I no longer saw him in front of me, I was taken by a sense of fear, and I closed the door, reentered the guest room, and felt faint.”

A few days later, Padre Pio also told the story to Padre Paolino, and the two decided to go to the town hall, where they looked at the vital statistics for the year I908 and found that on September 18 of that year, one Pietro Di Mauro had in fact died of burns and asphyxiation in Room Number 4 at the friary, then used as a home for the homeless.


Around the same time, Padre Pio told Fra Alberto of another apparition of a soul from Purgatory which also occurred around the same time. He said:

One evening, when I was absorbed in prayer in the choir of the little church I was shaken and disturbed by the sound of footsteps, and candles and flower vases being moved on the main altar. Thinking that someone must be there, I called out, "Who is it?"

No one answered. Returning to prayer, I was again disturbed by the same noises. In fact, this time I had the impression that one of the candles, which was in front of the statue of Our Lady of Grace, had fallen. Wanting to see what was happening on the altar, I stood up, went close to the grate and saw, in the shadow of the light of the Tabernacle lamp, a young confrere doing some cleaning. I yelled out, "What are you doing in the dark?" The little friar answered, "I am cleaning."

"You clean in the dark?" I asked. "Who are you?"

The little friar said, ‘I am a Capuchin novice, who spends his time of Purgatory here. I am in need of prayers.’ and then he disappeared,"

Padre Pio stated that he immediately began praying for him as requested, and it is not known if he had any further dealings with this particular soul. However, in regards souls in Purgatory it is very interesting to note that later in life Padre Pio once said that ‘As many souls of the dead come up this road [to the monastery] as that of the souls of the living.” Without a doubt, many souls from Purgatory visited Padre Pio seeking his prayers, sacrifices and sufferings to obtain their release.

http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2012/04/amazing-stories-from-purgatory-and.html

Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2015, 12:32:38 AM »
Quote from: Malleus
What I read in the revelations of St. Catherine of Genoa concerning Purgatory made me think the way this thread is titled. Things like the souls there being happy with their punishment and not wanting it to be lessened, not really "suffering" in the real sense of suffering, the souls there not even being aware of the people who pray for them and many other things.

Before I read those revelations I had a sense of urgency for the "suffering" souls, but after it was like "Why am I even praying for them and what's the big deal if they actually desire to be where they are and to atone".


Could you supply the book, and chapter where she said these things?  It certainly is not in line with what we've always been taught about Purgatory.  Perhaps you have misunderstood her?

I can certainly understand them being "happy", because they know they will eventually be in heaven.  And I understand them not wanting their punishment to be lessened, because it is what is due for their sins and they wouldn't want to go to heaven "sullied", (even if that were possible) but I am surprised that she says they are not aware of those who pray for them.