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Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2015, 12:34:07 PM »
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  • My Catholicism is to assume all my dead family and friends in Purgatory will be there until I die. Did Our Lady of Fatima not tell one of the Children she would be in Purgatory for a very, very long time. If so, God help others sent there to clean their souls. We all pray for the souls in Purgatory at every Mass we go to. Think of it, billions of prayers that one would think would clean out Purgatory.

    Now I do not know about private revelation, but I do know about reality. My friend, one of a family with priests and nuns who himself went into a seminary to be a priest in the 1960s. Four years later he came out. Believe it or not, such was the experience that he lost his faith completely. I was too young then to know about the going-ons in Maynooth Semenary or to understand the Modernism already in the Church.

    A few years later he told me he woke up one night to find his dead brother standing at the foot of his bed. His brother told him God in His mercy had allowed him to return to his family to tell them they were not praying enough for him in Purgatory. My best friend then said the brother disappeared.

    I remember reasoning, how come God allowed that man to return and not others. I reasoned that Catholic family of his had given two priests and two nuns to the service of God and for this He granted a special plea. My friend gathered the Family from near and far to tell them of their siblings appearance and request. From that moment on not a day went by without prayers for that brother in Purgatory.

    Strangely this incidence did not reconvert my friend back to a strong faith.
    I give my word that this is a true happening.

    As I am at it I have one other life incident (in 72 years) of a preternatural nature to tell. Two other Catholic schoolfriends of 18 years old told me they were talking about selling their souls to the devil in a car on the way to the home of one of them. One was such that you could believe he would have if given a chance. That young man got out of the car holding the door-key as one does. The next minute he turned around and said the key was gone, must have dropped it in the car. They searched in vain, could not understand where it had gone. He got out of the car again and threw a pebble up to a bedroom window where his sister was sleeping. She opened the window to be asked to throw down her door key. The two boys continued to wonder on the mystery when there was a loud bang, like a dustbin-lid hitting the ground. They looked and saw a key on the ground, glowing like it was red-hot. The sister came to the window to be asked what  was she up to. She said getting the key which she threw down to the brother. The boys picked up the banged key to find it was his key, no doubt about it, but bent now, unusable.

    Needless to say the experience frightened them and the next day they went to a Holy-Ghost priest to try to get an explanation. The priest found out they were discussing the sale of a soul to the Devil. He told them never again to think that way or discuss it with seriousness. Again, as with my other friend, both these eventually lost the faith in spite of those two preternatural happenings.

    It goes to show you Faith is something you must want before the Lord will give it to you or keep giving it to you.

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    « Reply #31 on: April 05, 2015, 10:36:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: BTNYC
    After his death, Pope Innocent III appeared to St. Lutgarda, describing the pains he was enduring in Purgatory as "terrible." He pleaded with her for her prayers, lest his torment last "for centuries."

    Here's a good rule of thumb: Should you ever find that your own musings and interpretations are leading you to a conclusion that contradicts immemorial Catholic tradition, cease those musings immediately and pray a rosary for an increase in humility.


    Since the Antichrist will be here within 500 years, nobody will spend more than 500 years in purgatory from this point on.


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    « Reply #32 on: April 06, 2015, 07:50:01 AM »
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  • .<< They suffer their pains so willingly that they would not lighten them in the least, knowing how justly they have been deserved. They resist the will of God no more than if they had already entered upon eternal life.>>>

      I read and re-read the passages you posted, it does not sound to me a contradiction in the least. Two things:

    1. We cannot comprehend purgatory, any more than we can comprehend God. We just cant. And while the Holy Souls are being cleansed, it sounds like (and it is very comforting actually) that they have attained a certain perfection already, having not yet entered Heaven.

    2. Look at the quote above- I can see that they would willingly know that their punishment is just, and have that sense of 'bring it', because it IS just! BUT!!! This, in NO WAY, de-TRACKS!, from our prayers helping them. Just because they 'may' not know that their sufferings are being lightened from our prayers/sacrifices, in no way means they aren't suffering LESS. The souls in Purgatory DO share in the happiness of knowing that they will be united with God, and willingly suffer in great hope and joy of Eternity.

    Even if they are doing all the suffering willingly and with, again, that 'bring it' attitude...it does not in any way detract from the fact that they do suffer greatly, and that we can lessen it to whatever extent pleases God.  No contradictions in what I read vs Church teaching on the matter.


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    « Reply #33 on: April 06, 2015, 07:57:54 AM »
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  • Quote from: InfiniteFaith

    Since the Antichrist will be here within 500 years, nobody will spend more than 500 years in purgatory from this point on.


    You do not know that. Moreover, you know that you do not know that.

    Please qualify your speculations by prefacing them with something like "In my opinion..." or "I think..." "I believe..." etc.

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    « Reply #34 on: April 06, 2015, 08:45:02 AM »
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  • I'd strongly recommend getting hold of a copy of a little booklet called 'Read Me Or Rue It' by Fr. Paul O'Sullivan, O.P.. It's full of stories of apparitions of people in Purgatory, in addition to the doctrine of Purgatory and why it's so necessary to pray for the souls therein. It's not long, it's only a small booklet but it's a real eye-opener.

    It has the approval of the Cardinal Patriarch of Lisbon from 1936.


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    « Reply #35 on: April 06, 2015, 10:25:44 PM »
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    After his death, Pope Innocent III appeared to St. Lutgarda, describing the pains he was enduring in Purgatory as "terrible." He pleaded with her for her prayers, lest his torment last "for centuries."

    Here's a good rule of thumb: Should you ever find that your own musings and interpretations are leading you to a conclusion that contradicts immemorial Catholic tradition, cease those musings immediately and pray a rosary for an increase in humility.


    Since the Antichrist will be here within 500 years, nobody will spend more than 500 years in purgatory from this point on.


    This is something else I have wondered about. What will happen to those who are still in Purgatory when the world ends? And what about those who will be alive when the world ends but need to be purified?

    What's to impede God to allow Purgatory to still exist when the world ends?

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    « Reply #36 on: April 07, 2015, 01:43:04 AM »
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    This is something else I have wondered about. What will happen to those who are still in Purgatory when the world ends? And what about those who will be alive when the world ends but need to be purified?

    What's to impede God to allow Purgatory to still exist when the world ends?


    Catholic doctrine teaches that Purgatory will cease to exist at the General Judgment. The souls who are purgatory are saved souls who WILL reach Heaven. Therefore, Heaven and Hell will be the only destinations where each soul will spend eternity according to its merit.

    The world was created for one, and only one reason, the generation of Catholic saints and it will only end after the number of the Elect is completed, not before, so God will probably know that last generation of humans must reach perfection during their earthy exile since Purgatory will be no more.
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #37 on: April 07, 2015, 10:49:26 PM »
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  • The immense power of the Mass for the souls in Purgatory

    Next, from the excellent book “Purgatory –Explained by the Lives and Legends of the Saints” by Father F.X. Schouppe, S.J., Tan Books, 1986 we read the following accounts which highlight the power and importance of offering holy Masses for the departed. The following is a sincere testimony from the person who experienced several visits from a soul in purgatory, and thus she provides a detailed and frank eye-witness account with regard to the facts:

    On October 13, 1849, there died at the age of fifty-two, in the parish of Ardoye, in Flanders, a woman named Eugenie Van de Kerckove, whose husband, John Wybo, was a farmer. She was a pious and charitable woman who generously gave to charity in proportionate to her means. She had, to the end of her life, a great devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary, and abstained from meat in her honor on the Friday and Saturday of each week. Although her conduct was not free from certain faults, she otherwise led a exemplary and edifying life.

    Eugenie had a servant named Barbara Vennecke, aged twenty-eight, who was known as a virtuous and devoted girl, and who had assisted her mistress in her last sickness, and after Eugenie’s death, she continued to serve her master, John Wybo, the widower of Eugenie.

    About three weeks after her death, the deceased appeared to her servant under circuмstances which we will now relate. It was in the middle of the night; Barbara slept soundly, when she heard herself called distinctly three times by her name. She awoke with a start, and saw Eugenie before her, sitting on the side of her bed, clad in a working dress, consisting of a skirt and short jacket. At this remarkable sight, Barbara was seized with astonishment. The apparition spoke to her: “Barbara," she said, simply pronouncing her name. “What do you desire, Eugenie?" replied the servant.


    ‘Please take," said the mistress, “the little rake which I often told you to put in its place; stir the heap of sand in the little room; you know to which one I refer. You will find there 500 franks; use it to have Masses said, two francs for each Mass, for my intention, for I am still suffering." “I will do so, Eugenie," replied Barbara, and at the same moment the apparition vanished. After awhile she fell asleep again, and reposed quietly until morning:

    On awaking, Barbara thought that maybe it was all just a dream, but yet she had been so deeply impressed, so wide awake, she had seen her old mistress in a form so distinct, so full of life and she had received from her lips such precise directions, that she could not help saying, “This cannot have been a dream. I saw my mistress in person; she presented herself to my eyes and she surely spoke to me. It is no dream, but a reality."

    She therefore immediately went and took the rake as directed, stirred the sand, and drew out a purse containing the sum of five hundred francs.

    In such strange and extraordinary circuмstances the good girl thought it her duty to seek the advice of her pastor before spending the 500 francs on having Masses said, and went to relate to him all that had happened. The venerable Abbe R., then parish priest of Ardoye, replied that the Masses asked by the departed soul absolutely must be celebrated, but, in order to dispose of the sum of money, the consent of the husband, John Wybo, was necessary, since the money was found in his house. The latter willingly consented that the money should be employed for so holy a purpose, and the Masses were celebrated, being given two francs for each Mass.

    We call attention to the circuмstance of the Mass donations, because it corresponded with the pious custom of the deceased. The fee for a Mass fixed by the diocese at that time was a franc and a half, but during her lifetime Eugenie-through consideration and charity for the clergy, many of whom were quite poor- always gave two francs for each Mass that she made offerings for. Thus the extra 1/2 a frank Mass offering that she normally made was an act of charity and additional financial support for the priests who celebrated them.

    Two months after the first apparition, while Masses were still being said for Eugenie’s intentions, Barbara was again awakened during the night. This time her chamber was illuminated with a bright light, and her mistress appeared before her with a radiant smile, beautiful and fresh in appearance as in the days of her youth, and was dressed in a robe of dazzling whiteness—“Barbara," she said in a clear voice, “I thank you! For I am now delivered from the place of purification.' Saying these words, she disappeared, and the chamber became dark as before.

    The servant, amazed at what she had just seen, was full of joy, and she soon spread the remarkable story to everyone about the town . This apparition made the most lively impression upon her mind, and she preserves to this day the most consoling remembrance of it. It is from her that we have these details, through the favor of the venerable Abbe L., who was curate at Ardoye when these facts occurred.

    This is but one of the many stories in regards to the power and efficacy of the Holy Mass wherein the Son of God Himself offers Himself upon the altar for the forgiveness of our sins, for it is a fact that of all that we can do in favor of the souls in Purgatory, there is nothing more powerful and precious than the offering of immolation of our Divine Saviour upon the altar. Besides being the express doctrine of the Church as manifested in her Councils, there are many miraculous facts, properly authenticated, which leave no room for doubt in regard to this point.

    In evidence to this we now provide another incident, related by the historian Ferdinand of Castile. From 1324-1327 there was at Cologne two Dominican Religious of distinguished talent, one of whom was Blessed Henry Suso (1295-1366). They shared the same studies, the same kind of life, and above all the same desire for sanctity, which had caused them to form an close friendship.

    When they had finished their studies, seeing that they were about to be separated to return each one to his own convent, they agreed and promised one another that the first of the two who should die should be assisted by the other for a whole year by the celebration of two Masses each week--on Monday a Mass of Requiem, as was customary, and on Friday that of the Passion, in so far as the Rubrics would permit. They promised each other that they would do this, gave each other the kiss of peace, and left Cologne.

    For several years they both continued to serve God with the most edifying fervor. The priest religious whose name is not mentioned was the first to be called away, and Father Suso received the news with sentiments of resignation to the Divine will. As to the contract they had made, time had caused him to forget it. However, he prayed much for his friend, imposing new penances upon himself and many other good works, but he did not think of offering the Masses which he had promised a number of years previously.

    One morning, while meditating in retirement in the chapel, he suddenly saw appear before him the soul of his departed friend, who, regarding him with tenderness, reproached him with having been unfaithful to his word from which he had a perfect right to rely upon with confidence. Blessed Suso, surprised, excused his forgetfulness by relating the many prayers and mortifications which he had offered, and still continued to offer, for his friend, whose salvation was as dear to him as his own.

    "Is it possible, my dear brother;' he added, "that so many prayers and good works which I have offered to God do not suffice for you?" "Oh no," dear brother, replied the suffering soul, "these are not yet sufficient. It is the Blood of Jesus Christ that is needed to extinguish the flames by which I am consumed; it is the Holy Sacrifice which will deliver me from these frightful torments. I implore you to keep your word, and refuse me not that which in justice you owe me."

    Blessed Suso hastened to respond to the appeal of the suffering soul; he contacted as many priests as possible and urged them to say Masses for his friends intentions and, to repair his fault, he celebrated, and caused to be celebrated, a large number of Masses that very same day. On the following day several priests, at the request of Father Suso, united with him in offering the Holy Sacrifice for the deceased, and he continued his act of charity for several days.

    After a short time the priest friend of Suso again appeared to him, but now in a very different condition; his countenance was joyful, and he was surrounded with beautiful light. "Thanks be to you, my dear friend” he said “behold, by the Blood of my Saviour I am delivered from my sufferings. I am now going to Heaven to contemplate Him whom we so often adored together under the Eucharistic veil."

    Afterwards, Blessed Suso prostrated himself to ‘thank the God of infinite mercy, because he now understood more than ever the inestimable value of the Mass.’

    http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2012/04/amazing-stories-from-purgatory-and.html


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    « Reply #38 on: April 08, 2015, 10:49:45 PM »
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  • Modern apparitions to Eugenie von der Leyen (1867-1929)

    As to Saints and Blesseds, so far we have shared stories from St Padre Pio and Blessed Henry Suso. But there are many more canonized Saints who have been great helpers of the suffering souls. The most well known and recognized are St John Macias (who was known to have released literally thousands of souls from Purgatory during his holy lifetime), St. Augustine, St. Dominic, St. Francis Xavier, St. Victor, St. Francis of Assisi, St. Nicolas of Tolentino, St. Margaret Mary Alacoque, St. Catherine of Genoa, St. Bernard of Clairvaux, St. Gregory the Great, St. Odilon of Cluny, St. Francesca Romana, St. Bridget of Sweden, St. Ambrose, St. Bonaventure, St. Thomas Aquinas, St. Efraim, St. Peter Damian, St. Francis de Sales, St. Catherine of Genoa, and in modern times the recently canonized saints Gemma Galgani, St. Padre Pio, and St Faustina Kowalska, to name but a few.

    Since many of the stories of Purgatory from the above mentioned Saints are well known, the emphasis here is to provide the lesser known and nonetheless fascinating stories from sources and individuals not widely known or read, because in His infinite mercy, history is full of “everyday” persons whom on occasion God has permitted to assist the souls in Purgatory. I will say however that the one notable thing about such occurrences is that seers of souls from Purgatory are often reported to be especially good and pious persons, which is logical, for God permits a soul to appear so that it can be released from Purgatory, or at least, that its suffering be greatly lessened, and a pious, compassionate person is more likely to respond to its requests by the offering of fervent sacrifices, sufferings and prayers which are the means which help the poor souls. In other words, such souls are “saintly” persons, without of course ever becoming canonized Saints.

    One such soul is Eugenie von der Leyen (1867-1929) who kept a diary of the appearances of the souls in Purgatory to her. Eugenie was a well educated woman of high German nobility; in fact Eugenie bore the title of princess and lived in the ancestral castle at Waal, Bavaria, Germany. By order of her confessor, she kept diary of her contacts with the poor souls, which after her death was handed over to Bishop Eugenio Pacelli, who later became Pope Pius XII.

    http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2012/04/amazing-stories-from-purgatory-and.html

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    « Reply #39 on: April 09, 2015, 11:00:17 PM »
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  • The Shepherd named Fritz –From the diary of Eugenie von der Leyen, 1923.

    June 11, 1923. At awakening, a long grayish form over me, completely nebulous; I can't say whether man or woman, but unsympathetic; I am very frightened.

    June 14. The phantom was already in my room when I wanted to sleep. Then I said my evening-prayer aloud, during which it came very near to me. If it hadn't been for his arms, it rather would seem a walking tree-trunk. It stayed perhaps twenty minutes, then came back at four o'clock.

    June 16. It was very bad. It shook my shoulder. That is a horrible moment. I struck him and said: "You may not touch me!" Whereupon it withdrew in a corner. At my push, I didn't feel a body, it was like a humid, warm towel. I believed I couldn't stand such terror any longer.

    June 18. Again this horrible thing; it wanted to clasp my neck. I prayed in fear and took the particle of the Cross [a holy relic she possessed] in my hand. Then it remained with me, staying upright and big before me. It didn't answer questions." then it went out through the door, which it left open.

    June 19. I can recognize now that it is a man; he was only there for a short while.

    June 21. The horrible man more than an hour during the night, went back and forth continuously. He has disheveled black hair and horrific eyes.

    June 22. This man from one o'clock until past five with me, it was very bad. He repeatedly bowed over me and sat down at my bedside. I really wept for fear, then prayed the "hours" so that I didn't need to see him. Then he went again back and forth and moaned horribly. Now it seems to me I must know him, however I cannot find out who it is. I have become very cowardly, for many times it is really a decision for me to go to my room in the evening. Yet ordinarily I am able to fall asleep very well.

    June 24. He came back, seized me at my shoulder. I said: "Now tell me what you want and then don't come back."

    No answer; he went again through the room a couple of times and then was gone. My rest however was completely destroyed. At six in the morning he came back. In daylight he even looks more horrific, makes a disgusting impression, belongs to the dirtiest category of ghosts who have already come. I said: "Don't disturb me, I want to prepare myself for holy Communion!" Then he drew very near to me and lifted his hands imploringly. I was so sorry for him that I promised him a lot. Then I said: "Can't you speak?" Whereupon he shook his head. "Do you have much to suffer?" Now he moaned terribly. I gave him much holy water" and then he was gone.

    June 27. He was there again, in the night. Seems to know me; I racked my brains as to who he might be. He is very unsympathetic.?

    June 29. He was again in the room when I went to bed. It could be the murdered shepherd Fritz. I asked him at once, but he didn't react. I prayed with him, during which he fixed his eyes on me so angrily that I was really frightened. I asked him to go and then he went indeed.

    June 30. He came very briefly; his moaning waked me up.

    July 1. Again, I really believe it is shepherd Fritz. However his face is so black that I have difficulty recognizing him. But figure, nose, and eyes are wholly "he," as I saw him so many times in life.

    July 2. He came back, didn't look so terribly wild anymore and stayed not for a long time. I addressed him as "shepherd Fritz," which he apparently found quite natural.

    July 3. He came very briefly. I asked: ''Are you the murdered shepherd Fritz?" Then he said distinctly: "Yes!"

    July 4. He came to me in the morning, looked sadly at me and went away soon, answered nothing, too.

    July 5. Now it struck me that everything about him is clearer. During prayer, he made the Sign of the Cross.

    July 6. I am very happy for he can speak now. I asked him: "Why do you always come to me?" He: "Because you have always prayed for me." (That is right, for I had always been sorry for the poor fellow; he always looked so particular, even as a boy.) I: "Then what saved you?" He: "Insight and repentance." I: "Weren't you dead immediately?" He: "No." I: "Will you be released soon?" He: "Not by far." Then I gave him permission to continue coming to me, if it does him well. How remarkable it is, that someone who was so rude in life speaks like that when separated from his body. Now I am not frightened by him anymore, and would like to help him as best I can. How merciful is the good Lord!

    July 8. He came very briefly.


    July 9. He came at 6:00am and by doing so woke me up. Otherwise I had overslept. I: "Is it so important for you that I go to holy Mass?" He:"That way, you can help me a lot."

    July 11. Only came very briefly.

    July 12. We prayed together," then I: "Then what do you have to suffer?" He: "I am burning!" Then he came up to me and before I could defend myself, he pressed a finger on my hand. I was frightened so much and it hurt me so much, that I screamed. Now I have a red burn which I hope will heal soon. It is a very strange feeling, to have this visible mark from the other world.

    July 24. Shepherd Fritz and the other one came two times in the night, all silent, but [the new one] not very pleasant.

    July 29. Nothing special to mention. Now these two are coming every night. The new one looks horrible, while shepherd Fritz becomes ever more bright!!

    August 10. Shepherd Fritz drew so near to me again, but looked very friendly. So I said to him, "Don't you have to suffer so much anymore?" He: "No." and I: "Can you pray for me yet?" He: "No." and I: "Where are you then all the time?" He: "In the forlornness." I: "Will you still come often to me?" He: "No." and I: "Why not?" He: "I am not allowed to any more!" and I: "Have I been able to help you?" He: "Yes." Then he was gone….

    To close this remarkable account, Father Sebastian Wieser, Eugenie's parish priest and confessor, comments:

    “The behavior of this apparition is like the echo of his earthly life. I have known shepherd Fritz well -he was like a "billygoat" in the parish. In him, the greatness of the mercy of God really manifests itself. Rarely did he come to church. He had an only son, who in school became well known for his meanness, falsehood, and deceptions and caused many troubles to his teachers and those in authority over him. When the boy had to be punished at school, the father pulled out all the stops of his indignation over the schoolmaster and priest. I prophesied at that time that someday the father himself would get a beating from this only son!

    When this son was seventeen years old and was big and quite strong, he beat his father to death at around midnight .... Nobody knew if Fritz was dead immediately or if he came to for a moment. The latter seems to have been the case. The murderer had knocked him down in the hay-barn and abandoned him to his fate. Only in the morning was the dead man discovered ....On the sixth of July he states that: "…insight and repentance" have saved him from damnation! On the twelfth day of July he says, "I am burning!" and presses a finger on the hand of the princess, which leaves a red burn which I have seen myself.” –Father Sebastian Wieser

    http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2012/04/amazing-stories-from-purgatory-and.html

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    « Reply #40 on: April 10, 2015, 02:18:13 PM »
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  • Many thanks pouche for these stories. All can believe them, for I am a living person who knows a man to who God allowed his brother to return and request prayers to help exit Purgatory.

    That however was about 55 years ago when Ireland was Catholic and most understood and believed. I think that is another condition poche.


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    « Reply #41 on: April 14, 2015, 12:53:55 PM »
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  • It's become very common in Novus Ordo circles to trivialize Purgatory.

    Surely a moment's reflection should dispel the notion that because someone knows that a punishment from God is just, therefore the pain from it is inconsequential. For starters, if it didn't hurt, it wouldn't be a punishment!
    "Let us thank God for having called us to His holy faith. It is a great gift, and the number of those who thank God for it is small."
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    « Reply #42 on: April 14, 2015, 10:59:31 PM »
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    Many thanks pouche for these stories. All can believe them, for I am a living person who knows a man to who God allowed his brother to return and request prayers to help exit Purgatory.

    That however was about 55 years ago when Ireland was Catholic and most understood and believed. I think that is another condition poche.


    We can still pray. Who knows, sometimes all it takes is one Hail Mary or one Our Father.    

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    Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
    « Reply #43 on: April 14, 2015, 11:02:16 PM »
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  • Another modern account: St Gemma Galgani obtains the relief of a soul in Purgatory

    The final account in this article will go to the webmasters favorite Saint: St Gemma Galgani (1878-1903). It is taken from the excellent book “The Life of St Gemma Galgani” by Venerable Father Germanus Ruoppolo C.P.:

    "Gemma knew by Divine inspiration that in the Convent of Passionist Nuns at Corneto [Italy] there was a Religious Sister very dear to God who was near death. She asked me about it, and on my answering that it was so, she at once began to implore of Jesus to make that particular Religious expiate all her faults on her deathbed, so that breathing her last she might enter Paradise at once. Her prayer, at least in part, was heard. The Sister suffered greatly and died in a few months. Gemma told those in her home of it in order that they might pray for the deceased, and she gave her name, Maria Teresa of the Infant Jesus, as she was not known in Lucca. After her death, this soul appeared to her full of sorrow, imploring her help as she was undergoing great torments in Purgatory for certain defects.

    Nothing more was needed to set all the fibers of Gemma's heart in motion. From that moment she gave herself no rest: she fervently offered prayers, tears and loving petitions to Our Lord.

    "Jesus, save her," she was overheard to exclaim. "Jesus, take Maria Teresa to Paradise without delay. She is a soul that is most dear to Thee. Let me suffer much for her; I want her to be in heaven."

    And during this time Gemma writes the following in her Diary:

    "It was around 9:30 and I was reading; all of a sudden I am shaken by a hand resting gently on my left shoulder. I turn in fright; I was afraid and tried to call out, but I was held back. I turned and saw a person dressed in white; I recognized it was a woman; I looked and her expression assured me I had nothing to fear: "Gemma," she said after some moments, "do you know me?" I said no, because that was the truth; she responded: "I am Mother Maria Teresa of the Infant Jesus: I thank you so very much for the great concern you have shown me because soon I shall be able to attain my eternal happiness."

    All this happened while I was awake and fully aware of myself. Then she added: "Continue still, because I still have a few days of suffering." And in so saying she caressed me and then went away. Her countenance, I must say, inspired much confidence in me. From that hour I redoubled my prayers for her soul, so that soon she should reach her objective; but my prayers are too weak; how I wish that for the souls in Purgatory my prayers should have the strength of the saints'."


    And the dear victim of expiation suffered without ceasing for sixteen days, at the end of which God was pleased to accept her sacrifice and to release that soul. This is how Gemma herself told me of it:


    “Toward half-past one it seemed to me that the Blessed Mother herself came to tell me that the holy hour I was making was drawing to an end. Then almost immediately I thought I saw Sr. Maria Teresa coming toward me clad as a Passionist, accompanied by her Guardian Angel and by Jesus. Oh, how she was changed since the day I first saw her! Smiling, she drew close to me and said: "I am truly happy, and I go to enjoy my Jesus forever." She thanked me again. Then she made sign of bidding me good-bye with her hand, several times, and with Jesus and her Guardian Angel she flew to Heaven. It was about half-past two o'clock in the morning.”

    In closing, I would like to bring forth one final comment concerning where it is has been revealed by at least one mystic that the souls in the lowest level of Purgatory are not allowed to receive any benefit from prayers and offerings made to them by people here on earth. While it may very well be that the souls in the lowest part of purgatory do not receive any relief from our prayer until they reach the next highest level, but that is not to say that they do not receive any benefit.  While it is believed that for all souls in purgatory, except for the ones in the lowest level, when we pray for them they receive a two-fold grace--firstly, they receive a lessening of some of their time they were assigned to be in purgatory (kind of like lessening the sentence of a prisoner here on earth) and then too they also receive a certain relief from the pain of the purification that they are experiencing (kind of like giving a glass of water to someone who is very thirsty). So allegedly according to at least one mystic, the souls in the lowest level of purgatory do not receive the second grace I just mentioned, only the first. But once the elevate to the next higher region of purgatory, they would receive both graces from our prayers.

    http://www.mysticsofthechurch.com/2012/04/amazing-stories-from-purgatory-and.html

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    Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
    « Reply #44 on: April 15, 2015, 11:17:46 PM »
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  • Christ summarized the Ten Commandments as the Perfect Law of Love:

    1) Love of God;
    2) Love of Neighbor.

    His laws, counsels, and promises all breathe the sweet, clean air of peace, joy, and mercy, which vibrate with the three theological Virtues of Faith, Hope, and Charity and the Seven Gifts of the Holy Ghost.

    But the thought that some of us shall, nevertheless, have to experience excruciating pain in the fires of Purgatory after death for an unknown period of time underscores the fairness of God and His judicious exercise of the Virtue of Justice.

    It is true that we are weak and fall many times into sin and that God’s justice is rigorous, exacting - but also fair.

    It is no less certain that Our Lord has given us abundant Graces and Spiritual strength to help us to overcome temptations to sin.  Yet, if we do fall into sin, we will find the Seat of Divine Mercy in the Confessional so that we may confess our sins and receive absolution for them.  Of course the temporal punishment due to sin still remains, although indulgences can either partially or totally remove such temporal punishment.

    But those who continue to deliberately sin and who make no real, sincere effort to avoid sinning, and who refuse to correct their faults and refuse to use the many merciful means God offers them for satisfying for their sins and imperfections, automatically condemn themselves at least to Purgatory, and, in the case of Mortal Sin, they automatically condemn themselves to Hell for all eternity until and unless they make a good Confession.

    http://www.shrineofsaintjude.net/home1606.html