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Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2015, 02:00:10 AM »
Quote from: BTNYC
Quote from: Malleus


Also, I'm not a woman.


The mere fact that your post elicited that mistake is telling in and of itself. Reason (and pray) more. Feel less.


Quote from: wxg101
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What I read in the revelations of St. Catherine of Genoa concerning Purgatory...
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This is what I refer to when I quote St. Paul. Not you.


Well there you go BTNYC.

Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2015, 02:04:03 AM »
Quote from: BTNYC
After his death, Pope Innocent III appeared to St. Lutgarda, describing the pains he was enduring in Purgatory as "terrible." He pleaded with her for her prayers, lest his torment last "for centuries."

Here's a good rule of thumb: Should you ever find that your own musings and interpretations are leading you to a conclusion that contradicts immemorial Catholic tradition, cease those musings immediately and pray a rosary for an increase in humility.


Why is Innocent III in purgatory acc to St Lutgarda?    :confused1:


Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2015, 02:53:50 AM »
Quote from: roscoe
Quote from: BTNYC
After his death, Pope Innocent III appeared to St. Lutgarda, describing the pains he was enduring in Purgatory as "terrible." He pleaded with her for her prayers, lest his torment last "for centuries."

Here's a good rule of thumb: Should you ever find that your own musings and interpretations are leading you to a conclusion that contradicts immemorial Catholic tradition, cease those musings immediately and pray a rosary for an increase in humility.


Why is Innocent III in purgatory acc to St Lutgarda?    :confused1:

There were three sins which could have sent him to Hell were it not for the mercy of God, but out of respect for the reputation of the pontiff Lutgarda refused to disclose.  

Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2015, 02:55:19 AM »
Quote from: wxg101
Quote from: Malleus
What I read in the revelations of St. Catherine of Genoa concerning Purgatory...
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This is what I refer to when I quote St. Paul. Not you.

There's an obvious reason why this woman's writings contradict those of others.

I Timothy ch. ii verse xii.

Period.

I just find it interesting that the doctrine came into question after reading a woman's writings on it.

As per the Douay Rheims Catholic Bible Commentary on aforementioned verse:

"In times of licentiousness, liberty, and heresy, women are much given to reading, disputing chatting and jangling of the Holy Scriptures, yeah and to teach also if they might be permitted, but S. Paul utterly forbiddeth it, and the Greek Doctors upon this place note that the woman taught but once, that was when after her reasoning with Satan, she persuaded her husband to transgression, and so she undid all mankind. And in the Ecclesiastical writers we find that women have been great promoters of every sort of heresy (whereof see a notable discourse in S. Jerome's ep. ad (Ctesiph?) contra Pelagianus c. 2) which they would not have done, if according to the Apostle's rule, followed piety and good works, and lived in silence and subjection to their husbands."

This woman, as well as a couple others that have followed this example, are from the 4th Age of the Church, in which Christ says to those living in that Age:

"But I have against thee a few things: because thou sufferest the woman Jezabel, who calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants, to commit fornication and to eat of things sacrificed to idols."

(Revelation ch. ii verse xx)

I am not calling into question this woman's sainthood.

All I am saying is that don't let a woman teach you doctrine that she should not be teaching in the first place. There's no exception to I Timothy ch. ii verse xii. Period.

"After his death, Pope Innocent III appeared to St. Lutgarda, describing the pains he was enduring in Purgatory as 'terrible.' He pleaded with her for her prayers, lest his torment last 'for centuries.'"

This statement here completely refutes your entire earlier position.

I am just saying... be careful. Traps are set everywhere. It would be unwise to think we all are immune to them.

Martin Luther began with a general inquiry on indulgences... and then turned into a complete heretic.

It's not who says it that determines its truthfulness.  

Praying for the souls in purgatory not necessary
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2015, 03:00:49 AM »
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It would greatly alleiviate their suffering if you were to pray for them.


That's the thing, what I posted says they WANT to suffer and be where they are.

they want to suffer because they want to be with god in Heaven. They are living in perfefct charity and they want only what God wants.
However in the case of these private revelations God wants us to pray for the souls who are suffering in Purgatory. Otherwise he would not allow them to appeear and ask for prayers.
If you were to see someone in the desert suffering from a great thirst wouldn't you offer them a cool glass of water if it were in your power to do so?