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Offline ByzCat3000

Re: Prayers for Jєωιѕн people who were attacked
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2019, 12:39:06 AM »
Quote from: Your Friend Colin on May 04, 2019, 12:40:09 PM
The Church has given us the answer to that question numerous times. When the Church makes an infallible definition, we can be sure it is Christ who is speaking.
I don't know what Poche's line of thought is, but for non-Feenneyites (I'm using Feeneyite here as a descriptor, not an insult) it might be possible to be inside the Church without being a visible member.  Furthermore there's always presumably the possibility of a deathbed conversion, though of course that depends on whether you believe baptism of desire is a thing, I know some people here don't.

It seems conceivably possible to say what Poche said without denying any dogma.  Whether that is in fact what's going on, or whether Poche is in fact denying dogma, I don't know.
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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Prayers for Jєωιѕн people who were attacked
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2019, 04:40:22 AM »
Quote from: poche on May 04, 2019, 10:59:17 AM
She died giving her life in place of the rabbi. She followed the example of Christ
You do realize that this is not martyrdom, don’t you? I'm as certain as one can be that she didn’t have our Lord in mind when she acted. She may have been a nice person who was naturally caring and unselfish, but that doesn’t mean that the act was meritorious. 
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Offline Disputaciones

Re: Prayers for Jєωιѕн people who were attacked
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2019, 05:36:16 AM »
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 05, 2019, 04:40:22 AM
You do realize that this is not martyrdom, don’t you? I'm as certain as one can be that she didn’t have our Lord in mind when she acted. She may have been a nice person who was naturally caring and unselfish, but that doesn’t mean that the act was meritorious.
It may not be martyrdom in the strict sense, but whenever this type of thing happens, John 15:13 always comes to mind:

"Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
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Offline Quo vadis Domine

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Re: Prayers for Jєωιѕн people who were attacked
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2019, 05:57:22 AM »
Quote from: Disputaciones on May 05, 2019, 05:36:16 AM
It may not be martyrdom in the strict sense, but whenever this type of thing happens, John 15:13 always comes to mind:

"Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
It’s not martyrdom in the Christian/Catholic sense, period.
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Re: Prayers for Jєωιѕн people who were attacked
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2019, 06:02:50 AM »
Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on May 05, 2019, 05:57:22 AM
It’s not martyrdom in the Christian/Catholic sense, period.
And I didn't say it was. I just meant that I wonder if it still has some expiatory value for the person who dies for someone else because of that text.

I'm sure this has been addressed before in some theology manual somewhere.
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