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    « Reply #2 on: September 11, 2009, 10:29:03 AM »
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  • I bolded the part that is a direct shot at true Catholic understanding of economics. Mises the Jєω and is Austrian school of economics is not Catholic. I was wondering if you could destroy this article written by Woods, Belloc.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 11, 2009, 10:30:38 AM »
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  • Anyone who also wishes to deconstruct this may do so. Servitums worship at the altar of capitalism especially the form espoused by von Mises is disgusting but he has proven time and time again that he is an americanist.

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    « Reply #4 on: September 14, 2009, 08:21:38 AM »
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    « Reply #5 on: September 14, 2009, 08:22:29 AM »
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    « Reply #6 on: September 14, 2009, 08:23:18 AM »
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  • Reply #6

    Saturday, September 01, 2007
    Free Market Anti-Capitalism
    The following article is by Kevin Carson, the author of Studies in Mutualist Political Economy, an excellent study of what might be called "left-wing libertarianism." Kevin's blog is "Free-Market Anti-Capitalism." With this article, we are initiating a series to introduce readers to economic approaches which are similar to Distributism, even where there remain serious differences. In a day or two, I will post my own critique of libertarianism. [Note: If anyone has any suggestions for other views to include in this series, please e-mail me.]

    There has been frequent contention between free market libertarians and distributists.For example, Mises.Org has run several anti-distributist pieces (most notably by Thomas Woods) On the distributist side, John Médaille--who kindly invited me to write this guest post--has in my opinion made the mistake of treating the right-wing stance of Mises.Org as inherent in free market libertarianism as such.

    In fact, I believe there is a great deal of potential agreement, as well as room for fruitful collaboration, between distributistism and the left wing of free market libertarianism.

    Far too much of the libertarian mainstream leans toward pro-corporate apologetics, and confuses free market principles as such with the interests of big business and the wealthy.I commonly refer to this as "vulgar libertarianism."But this tendency does not follow of necessity from free market principles. In fact, as many of us on the free market left argue, it actually represents a perversion of free market principles.

    Most of the mutual animosity between distributists and free marketers comes, not from the inherent principles of either ideology, but from cultural prejudices that have little to do with those principles.On the part of (some) Misoids, this comes from an instinctive affinity for big business and the wealthy, and a desire to defend the concentration of wealth and the rise of wage employment associated with the existing form of industrial capitalism as the products of a free market. On the distributist side, it comes from the unjustifiable acceptance of such vulgar libertarianism as representative of libertarianism as such.

    In fact, far from starting out as conservative, the free market liberalism of the early political economists--Smith, Ricardo, and Mill--was a revolutionary doctrine aimed at the abolition of economic privileges, like those of the mercantilists and the Whig landed oligarchy. It is perverse that so much of the libertarian mainstream has since become identified with the modern-day counterparts of the mercantilists and landlords: the giant corporation.

    But significant currents of free market libertarianism adhered to the original radical approach. Several radical strands of classical liberalism, including some self-identified socialists, drew radical conclusions from Ricardo's observation that the income of landlords and capitalists came from value produced by labor. The radical direction in which they took their free market philosophy was just this: if the natural tendency of a free market is for labor to receive its full product, then the fact that labor does not receive its full product under existing capitalism can only result from privilege. Capitalism, as distinguished from a free market, is a system in which the state represents the owners of capital and land and intervenes in the market on their behalf. Its enforcement of special privileges keeps land and capital artificially scarce and expensive in comparison to labor, so that labor must pay tribute for access to the means of production. Let, therefore, the state remove its guarantees of privilege, and let the suppliers of land and capital compete in a free market without entry barriers, and land and capital will cease to draw monopoly returns; the wage of labor will rise to its full product.

    Some version of this reasoning was adopted as the basis for Proudhon's mutualism, the radical free market thought of Thomas Hodgskin in England, the individualist anarchists in America running from Josiah Warren through Benjamin Tucker (my own chief influence), and the Georgists.

    Although he did not adopt nearly such thoroughgoing radicalism, Murray Rothbard (perhaps the most prominent star in the anarcho-capitalist sky) did view the present system as one in which our corporate state uses the coercive taxing power either to accuмulate corporate capital or to lower corporate costs. At the height of his strategic alliance with the New Left, Rothbard enthusiastically mined the radical history of Gabriel Kolko and William Appleman Williams for insights that could be incorporated into a free market critique of state capitalism.Today, the Alliance of the Libertarian Left continues to develop this left-wing aspect of Rothbard's thought.

    The chief substantive difference between distributists and left-wing free marketers, it seems to me, involves not so much our sympathies or goals as our understanding of causality. To take much distributist rhetoric at face value, it seems to imply that the present concentration of wealth and capital emerged from laissez-faire and is the natural result of a free market, and that some form of state intervention is necessary to prevent wealth from being concentrated in fewer and fewer hands. The left-wing free marketer, on the other hand, sees the natural tendency of the market as egalitarian and decentralist, and sees the present day system of corporate power and concentrated wealth as the result of massive state intervention on behalf of the wealthy and powerful.The left-wing free marketer says the same thing his radical free market ancestors said:remove all state subsidies to big business, and all special privileges protecting it from competition, and the market will operate as dynamite at the foundations of corporate power; let the dynamite of the market operate, and we will see a decentralized economy of small-scale industry producing for local markets, with widespread cooperative ownership and self-employment.
    Posted by John Médaille
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    « Reply #10 on: September 14, 2009, 08:41:18 AM »
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  • will be changing my site at DP soon.......stay tuned....
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    « Reply #12 on: September 14, 2009, 08:47:04 AM »
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    « Reply #13 on: September 14, 2009, 08:52:12 AM »
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  • "...the appetite of natural riches is not infinite, because according to a set measure they satisfy nature; but the appetite of artificial riches is infinite, because it serves inordinate concupiscence..." (St. Thomas Aquinas Summa Theologiae, I-II, q. 2, a. 1 ad 3).

    Comment-only greed and some Prot-like personal relationshipism keep capitalist in check, in other words, my own perosnal relationship will check me, forget the community and common good......that is a problem with capitalism, it is based on individualism and individualistic goals/self police-ing.....
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    « Reply #14 on: September 14, 2009, 09:06:39 AM »
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  • Wow!  :reading: :reading: :reading: :reading: :reading: