Author Topic: Post-Christmas blues in Ireland (Read 586 times)

cassini · « **on:** December 28, 2014, 04:30:07 PM »

At Mass today we got a homily that hit the nail on the head. After our joy on Christmas day, Father brought us back to reality. He told us that from the day of His birth, Jesus was hated by His enemies. First to die were the innocents, slaughtered hoping one was Him.
Nothing has changed. Over Christmas God only knows how many unborn (and newly born) children were killed.
In Ireland they were all celebrating the death of an unborn in a mother brain-dead but capable of being kept alive until birth. The newspapers, radio and TV all called out against giving the baby a chance to be born. The family and father of the woman and the baby all wanted her life-support turned off.

Only a few like myself truly understood what was possible and wished the baby was given the chance to be baptised, even if his or her life was to be short. It was a matter of faith that needed the baby to be born. Not a single priest or bishop dared open their mouth, and the child was in effect killed.

A friend then suggested they were all probably followers of Pope John Paul II who suggested all unborn babies PROBABLY go to heaven anyway. We traditionalists believe what we always believed - the only CERTAIN way for a child to go straight to heaven is to be baptised with water. I believe unbaptised babies go to Limbo, not heaven. Until I die and am told otherwise at my judgement I will not change my mind.

As a 'traditionalist.' I see JPII as perhaps having an influence on many mothers who aborted their babies, thinking they go to heaven anyway. This realisation shocked me, imagine being responsible for many unborn never seeing God in heaven? And they made him a saint! Such are the fruits of modernism.

I recall once at a pro-life rally getting up and asking why the Catholic pro-life groups do not profess this traditional teaching in their campaign to try to prevent some mothers from aborting their babies. They didn't want to know, not even the ten priests attending. Someone may have quoted JPII and I replied then abortion is a God-send, a sure way of a person getting to heaven so why try to stop them. Are pro-life groups now humanists first and foremost.

So, today, two days after Christmas and the feast of the innocents, I mourn that child prevented from receiving baptism. Limbo may well be a place of perfect natural happiness, but it could have been heaven.
Am I the last of a few to feel and think like this?

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #1 on:** December 28, 2014, 05:30:34 PM »

That is so sad that they wouldn't all they could do to protect that baby.
There are many including novous ordo that believe the baby should be baptized.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #2 on:** December 28, 2014, 05:34:55 PM »

Any society that celebrates death is morbid and sinful.

Thurifer · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2014, 12:18:41 PM »

Cassini, I agree with your main gist here and I am horrified to hear of this incident in Ireland. However, I think you are a little off base in blaming JPII for this. If you insist on doing so, at least give us the quote in proper context. This is the first I ever heard of that.

I might have let it pass if you kept it to JPII's opinion regarding children who died in the womb naturally. But to suggest that people are having abortions to send the child straight to heaven because of a teaching of JPII is beyond the pale.

I really doubt that anyone who would kill their own child would be looking for papal approval or care. You really might want to edit your post, because you come off as a fool.