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Offline Nylndech

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Possible debate with NO priest
« on: May 04, 2012, 09:49:35 AM »
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    • May soon need to debate traditionalism with NO priest.

    Recommend reading material for traditionalist position.

    Currently considering:

    Ottaviani Intervention
    Redemptionis Sacramentum
    Quo Primum
    Frequently Asked Questions about the SSPX
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    Offline LordPhan

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    « Reply #1 on: May 04, 2012, 12:15:06 PM »
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    • Conferences of Father Gregorius Hesse, Doctor of Theology and Doctor of Canon Law, attached it one of the conferences.

    Ludwig Ott - Fundementals of Catholic Dogma

    Henry Denzinger - Sources of Catholic Dogma, from Angelus Press.

    All of the Articles on SSPX.org

    Catholic Faq on SSPX.org

    http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius10/p10pasce.htm -- ON THE DOCTRINE OF THE MODERNISTS

    ENCYCLICAL OF POPE PIUS X, SEPTEMBER 8, 1907


    Syllabus of Errors -- http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius09/p9syll.htm
    (note when reading that what you are reading are condemned beliefs)



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    Offline LordPhan

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    « Reply #2 on: May 04, 2012, 12:19:43 PM »
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    • more from Fr. Hesse
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    « Reply #3 on: May 04, 2012, 12:20:08 PM »
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    • Liberalism is a Sin
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    Offline LordPhan

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    « Reply #4 on: May 04, 2012, 12:23:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Graham
    Liberalism is a Sin


    That is a good one too.

    http://www.ourladyswarriors.org/dissent/libissin.htm
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    Offline Lighthouse

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    « Reply #5 on: May 04, 2012, 12:41:59 PM »
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    • Give me a break!  You people really think this guy is for real? :facepalm:
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    Offline s2srea

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    « Reply #6 on: May 04, 2012, 12:47:13 PM »
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    • Even if he isn't, this thread is now a great resource for anyone looking for this information. Thanks LordPhan and Graham.
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    Offline Lighthouse

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    « Reply #7 on: May 04, 2012, 01:03:59 PM »
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    • Anyone who enters into a serious debate with a top notch opponent using gleanings from a thread on CatholicInfo would be seriously silly and a welcome help to the enemy.

    What is the nature of these "debates" that seem to be an avocation of these new forum members? Do they have imaginary friends? Engage their neighbors over the back fence? Post against members on another board?
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    Offline s2srea

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    « Reply #8 on: May 04, 2012, 01:11:59 PM »
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    • You're very feisty lately. Perhaps you should lay off the coffee  :cheers:

    Of course I wasn't talking about the 'gleanings' of CathInfo. I was speaking about the direction LP and Graham pointed to for further research; ie- research elsewhere.
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    « Reply #9 on: May 04, 2012, 01:31:37 PM »
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    Anyone who enters into a serious debate with a top notch opponent using gleanings from a thread on CatholicInfo would be seriously silly and a welcome help to the enemy.

    What is the nature of these "debates" that seem to be an avocation of these new forum members? Do they have imaginary friends? Engage their neighbors over the back fence? Post against members on another board?


    I get the feeling that this isn't going to be a nationally televised debate. It may not even be a public debate. OP can correct me if I'm wrong. Many of these threads are just asking for help in arguing with an acquaintance.
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    « Reply #10 on: May 04, 2012, 01:37:23 PM »
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    You're very feisty lately. Perhaps you should lay off the coffee  


    Matthew sends me thousands of dollars a month just to show up and be feisty. Keeps things from lagging.

     :dwarf:

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    Offline Malleus 01

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    « Reply #11 on: May 04, 2012, 02:49:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: Nylndech
    May soon need to debate traditionalism with NO priest.

    Recommend reading material for traditionalist position.

    Currently considering:

    Ottaviani Intervention
    Redemptionis Sacramentum
    Quo Primum
    Frequently Asked Questions about the SSPX


    Waste of Time.

    Done so many times.

    You will not listen to them and they will not listen to you.

    What usually winds up happening is they use the fact that they are a Priest to talk down to you - or they invoke the obedience argument and nothing of value gets accomplished as a result.
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    Offline Nylndech

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    « Reply #12 on: May 04, 2012, 03:06:30 PM »
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    • Known priest for years.

    Merely need to explain why I want to discern traditional religious orders and not one full of "new way of doing things" when discussion inevitably comes up.

    Was somehow expecting to be called a Neo-Cath for looking in general direction of NO priest.
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    « Reply #13 on: May 04, 2012, 03:37:05 PM »
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    • "De Defectibus" by Pope Saint Pius V.

    Read Chapter V.

    The first part of Chapter V, of "De Defectibus" by Pope Saint Pius V.

    Let him talk his way out of that.

    It shows that THE NOVUS ORDO IS INVALID AND THAT THERE IS NO TRANSUBSTANTIATION IN THE NEW MASS.

    If he says:
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    they are restoring the words of Consecration

    Then you can reply:
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    But they are not including the words: "Mysterium  Fidei", which are necessary for validity according to what Pope Saint Pius V decreed in "De Defectibus".


    Read Patrick Henry Ohmlor.
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    Francis is an Antipope. Pray that God will grant us a good Pope and save the Church.
    I abjure and retract my schismatic support of the evil CMRI.Thuc condemned the Thuc nonbishops
    "Now, therefore, we declare, say, determine and pronounce that for every human creature it is necessary for salvation to be subject to the authority of the Roman Pontiff"-Pope Boniface VIII.
    If you think Francis is Pope,do you treat him like an Antipope?
    Pastor Aeternus, and the Council of Trent Sessions XXIII and XXIV
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