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BTNYC · « **Reply #40 on:** August 03, 2013, 02:36:07 AM »

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I envy their zeal of their adherents for their worldview, regardless of how misdirected it is. I respect that they don't sway in the face of adversity of their faith.

Muslims act like cowards until they reach a certain critical mass within a population that allows them to come out in full force.
Give an example.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya]Are you serious?[/url]
In Islam taqiyya تقية (alternative spellings taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation,[1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.[[/i][/i]

Yea I'm serious.......don't "christians" do that now especially in this country even when they're not being persecuted or threatened the way some Muslims might be in some areas like Israel perhaps?

Even worse, look at some of the blasphemous acts the past few popes have commited like attending ѕуηαgσgυє services and kissing Korans, and nobody's "threatening" them.

Moslems have some old laws implemented to protect them from the infidels that they have to employ for various reasons, probably most likely from physical harm for them and their families. whatever.

But you look at how Islam does defend their religion and their prophet, you can call them many things, but "cowards" probably isn't one of them.

But I see a whole lot of christian cowardice all around me everyday, perfect example is how much they suck up to Jews and Israel every chance they get regardless how much Jews reject and mock the Messiah Jesus and the BVM.

So yeah, in a nation like this, full of so-called, self-professing "christians" most wouldn't make a peep when their God is being scandalized and blasphemed at every level possible. Why would I respect or "envy" them and not the Mohhamedens?

In response to the bolded - Islamic cowardice is codified into their religion, Christian cowardice is not. The Taqiya is a codified dispensation from a death that would be martyrdom for a Catholic. The preferred form of "martyrdom" for a Mohammedan is dying whilst in the process of murdering as many "infidels" as possible. A Catholic is called to choose death over apostasy, and all the priestly, episcopal, and papal scandals in the world do not change that.

"The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not." St Matthew 23:2-3

Jews are the primary (human) enemy of the Faith, on that I think (I hope) we all agree. But Mohammedans are enemies of the Faith as well. One need not praise the latter to castigate the former. This is the one bone of contention I have with the otherwise consistently excellent E. Michael Jones. For example, he praises Iran's "morality," specifically, their sɛҳuąƖ morality, yet overlooks (or is ignorant of) the fact that Iran, thanks to an islamic fatwah, is the number 2 sex change capital of the world.

The enemy of our enemy is not our friend. We should look to our own glorious Catholic past for encouragement, not to anything incidentally or superficially "good" in a false religion or its adherents.

alaric · « **Reply #41 on:** August 03, 2013, 06:48:23 AM »

Oh boy, I didn't want this to turn into me becoming some kind of Moslem "apologist" but you are falling into the one of the classic Judaic traps of believing their lies in the media and distorting the news and reality of Islamic culture and doctrines. But here goes;

"You are mistaken. The Mohammedans are liberals who have embraced the modern world with open arms. "

Total and complete nonsense, in fact they are about the only ones left on the planet confronting modernism and the diabolical global system of the NWO perpetuated by culture-destroying Jewry using the vehicle of materialsim, democracy and "civil rights". Maybe some rogue Moslems have capitulated here and there or some faux "moslem" is put out there by the Leftists media as bucking the trend of traditional Islam, but by and large Moslems and their respective nations and cultures still resist modernism if not outright rejected it. And even the ones that have somewhat, certainly didn't do it with "open arms", that's why we need to send our military over there half the time to foist it uopn them when we can't use money and influence like we're doing in Syria.

"Iran is number two in the world for number of transsɛҳuąƖ sex-change operations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TranssɛҳuąƖity_in_Iran

Because they reject the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and same sex "marriage. They force you into making a decision, you want to be a boy/girl? then go become one but do not think you're going to exhibit "same-sex" marriages and relationships like the freak showwe're accpeting here in the West. This is why queers worldwide are flocking into Persia to get this mediacal "procedure" done even though the vast majority of the polulace wouldn't even dream of it, this is abomination is the machination of the political wing of the Islamic state of Iran not the clerical side.

"Muslim "gαy marriage"
http://www.france24.com/fr/20120330-france-mariage-homosexuel-musulmans-gαy-religion-imam-coran-corps-livre-ludovic-mohamed-zahed

Alright, give me a link in English or forget it. But I can assure, these are about as real "moslems" as those women being consecrated as "priests" are authentic "catholics". Islam forbids gαy marriage, that's it, case closed.

"Mosques for "gαy" men
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20547335

LOL! they're not even in a "mosque" because these sex-freaks were chased out of the real ones so now they rent space in some sort of a Buddhist temple. Just another total complete lie and fabrication by the yellow journalists and queer-loving media in the West. This is their MO, when they can't spin the truth, they out right lie about stories of "gαy" Moslems and their quest for accpetance within Islam. Again, Islam totally rejects ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, no exceptions, regardless of how many articles the lying, Judaic media puts out there, don't drink the cool-aid and become a "believer" of their BS.

alaric · « **Reply #42 on:** August 03, 2013, 07:03:56 AM »

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Alaric:

Muslims are permitted to lie about their faith to protect their lives, and have historically spread it through conquest.

Christians are called to proclaim their faith even if it leads to their death, and have historically spread it through predication.

Do these not suggest two completely different ways of thinking?

Yes, Muslims do engage in childish bluster at the slightest insult to their creed and their "prophet", but that's because their comrades have their backs and they know they can get away with it. Their antics fall well below the standards of even pagan virtue. Meanwhile in much of the Western world Catholics are lucky even to have comrades.

There's no way Muslims are an example we should emulate.

I agree with most of this to an extent but as far as "pagan" culture and virtue holding the high moral ground, far from it. The original pagans in Arabia were seeped into all kinds of debauchery and seediness before mohamed burst upon the scene in Mecca and as bad as Moslems treat the women or at least our Western perception of it, it was quite worse before the desert prophet went into the caves and had his "visions".

The reason why Islam had the success it did was because it united the people of all classes with a sense of worthiness and respect in which the pagan system exploited the poor and women in many ways, it also gave them hope in the afterlife to fight to the death in the name of this new One God, something the pagans were very vague about and probably only benefited a precious few like it did in the secular class-based system they existed in to begin with.

I don't have the time right now to get into all this, but the bottom line is Islam seems to have brought amny of the people hope while the pagan system inflicted much persecution and despair as much as exploitation of the poor by the greedy merchants of the upper class. and women were'nt treated much better than animals, although I believe this continous to be a problem though much of the Arabic and African world, this seems to be a problem much deeper than "religion" over there.

alaric · « **Reply #43 on:** August 03, 2013, 07:08:57 AM »

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I envy their zeal of their adherents for their worldview, regardless of how misdirected it is. I respect that they don't sway in the face of adversity of their faith.

Muslims act like cowards until they reach a certain critical mass within a population that allows them to come out in full force.
Give an example.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiyya]Are you serious?[/url]
In Islam taqiyya تقية (alternative spellings taqiyeh,taqiya, taqiyah, tuqyah) is a form of religious dissimulation,[1] or a legal dispensation whereby a believing individual can deny his faith or commit otherwise illegal or blasphemous acts while they are at risk of significant persecution.[[/i][/i]

Yea I'm serious.......don't "christians" do that now especially in this country even when they're not being persecuted or threatened the way some Muslims might be in some areas like Israel perhaps?

Even worse, look at some of the blasphemous acts the past few popes have commited like attending ѕуηαgσgυє services and kissing Korans, and nobody's "threatening" them.

Moslems have some old laws implemented to protect them from the infidels that they have to employ for various reasons, probably most likely from physical harm for them and their families. whatever.

But you look at how Islam does defend their religion and their prophet, you can call them many things, but "cowards" probably isn't one of them.

But I see a whole lot of christian cowardice all around me everyday, perfect example is how much they suck up to Jews and Israel every chance they get regardless how much Jews reject and mock the Messiah Jesus and the BVM.

So yeah, in a nation like this, full of so-called, self-professing "christians" most wouldn't make a peep when their God is being scandalized and blasphemed at every level possible. Why would I respect or "envy" them and not the Mohhamedens?

In response to the bolded - Islamic cowardice is codified into their religion, Christian cowardice is not. The Taqiya is a codified dispensation from a death that would be martyrdom for a Catholic. The preferred form of "martyrdom" for a Mohammedan is dying whilst in the process of murdering as many "infidels" as possible. A Catholic is called to choose death over apostasy, and all the priestly, episcopal, and papal scandals in the world do not change that.

"The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not." St Matthew 23:2-3

Jews are the primary (human) enemy of the Faith, on that I think (I hope) we all agree. But Mohammedans are enemies of the Faith as well. One need not praise the latter to castigate the former. This is the one bone of contention I have with the otherwise consistently excellent E. Michael Jones. For example, he praises Iran's "morality," specifically, their sɛҳuąƖ morality, yet overlooks (or is ignorant of) the fact that Iran, thanks to an islamic fatwah, is the number 2 sex change capital of the world.

The enemy of our enemy is not our friend. We should look to our own glorious Catholic past for encouragement, not to anything incidentally or superficially "good" in a false religion or its adherents.

Agreed. But see my response about the whole Iranian "sex-change" thing in the above post.

I also believe that there is some inherent "good" in other worldviews and religions as they correlate with Natural Law, but again, I can expand upon this later when I have the time.

TheKnightVigilant · « **Reply #44 on:** August 03, 2013, 08:21:14 AM »

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Oh boy, I didn't want this to turn into me becoming some kind of Moslem "apologist" but you are falling into the one of the classic Judaic traps of believing their lies in the media and distorting the news and reality of Islamic culture and doctrines.

You are a Mohammedan apologist. That is abundantly clear. You lament the fact that Catholics are not more like Muslims.

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Total and complete nonsense, in fact they are about the only ones left on the planet confronting modernism and the diabolical global system of the NWO perpetuated by culture-destroying Jewry using the vehicle of materialsim, democracy and "civil rights". Maybe some rogue Moslems have capitulated here and there or some faux "moslem" is put out there by the Leftists media as bucking the trend of traditional Islam, but by and large Moslems and their respective nations and cultures still resist modernism if not outright rejected it. And even the ones that have somewhat, certainly didn't do it with "open arms", that's why we need to send our military over there half the time to foist it uopn them when we can't use money and influence like we're doing in Syria.

The Mohammedans are not "confronting modernism and the diabolical global system of the NWO". This supposed Islamic resistance against "the west" arises from the deep-rooted Mohammedan hatred of and hostility towards the infidels and especially former Christendom. It is not this lofty, valiant struggle against the forces of evil that you would have people believe. Indeed, Muslim countries embrace contraception. Muslim countries permit abortion. Muslim countries lead the world in internet searches for gαy porn. Muslim countries allow transsɛҳuąƖ sex-change operations. How do you explain all of that?

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Because they reject the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ and same sex "marriage. They force you into making a decision, you want to be a boy/girl? then go become one but do not think you're going to exhibit "same-sex" marriages and relationships like the freak showwe're accpeting here in the West. This is why queers worldwide are flocking into Persia to get this mediacal "procedure" done even though the vast majority of the polulace wouldn't even dream of it, this is abomination is the machination of the political wing of the Islamic state of Iran not the clerical side.

Your argument is that they are attempting supress ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity by allowing men to have sex-change operations and pretend to be women? Really?

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LOL! they're not even in a "mosque" because these sex-freaks were chased out of the real ones so now they rent space in some sort of a Buddhist temple. Just another total complete lie and fabrication by the yellow journalists and queer-loving media in the West. This is their MO, when they can't spin the truth, they out right lie about stories of "gαy" Moslems and their quest for accpetance within Islam. Again, Islam totally rejects ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, no exceptions, regardless of how many articles the lying, Judaic media puts out there, don't drink the cool-aid and become a "believer" of their BS.

"Islam rejects ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, no exceptions"

Islamic law is strictly speaking opposed to sodomy, but in practice this prohibition has been, throughout history, not only largely unenforced, but indeed almost entirely ignored. Pederasty has enjoyed long acceptance in Islamic culture. Male slaves and servants were often used for the sɛҳuąƖ satisfaction of their masters in Persia and in the Ottoman empire. Sodomy was often only considered shameful for the individual being sodomised, not for the sodomiser. As evidence of this, please observe the strong ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ current which pervades Mohammedan art and poetry.

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_Mohammedanism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghulam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6%C3%A7ek

Despite all of this, I do actually agree with you that Islamic law is mostly in line with the natural law and the Islamic world view is certainly preferable to that of the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic neo-Pagan liberals. What I disagree with is your contention that Mohammedans represent the last bastion of resistance against said ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic neo-pagan liberalism and perversion. The Mohammedan nations are capitulating fast, much faster than Christendom did when exposed to the same currents. Why? Because Mohammedan culure is liberal to begin with, permitting many things that Catholicism does not (abortion, contraception, sex change operations, divorce and remarriage etc)