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Offline Antony

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« on: August 10, 2014, 01:12:00 PM »
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  • I am doing a research paper about some of Church history. Do any of you know any place where I can find some quotes of popes who erred in the past in their beliefs?  I don't mean recent popes, but popes who lived hundreds of years ago or so. I need this because some in-laws cannot understand what papal infallibility really means. Thank you.

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    « Reply #1 on: August 10, 2014, 01:38:26 PM »
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    I am doing a research paper about some of Church history. Do any of you know any place where I can find some quotes of popes who erred in the past in their beliefs?  I don't mean recent popes, but popes who lived hundreds of years ago or so. I need this because some in-laws cannot understand what papal infallibility really means. Thank you.


    There is not a single example in the entire history of the Church of a Pope teaching grave error against the Faith in his ordinary magisterium.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic


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    « Reply #2 on: August 10, 2014, 01:40:59 PM »
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    I am doing a research paper about some of Church history. Do any of you know any place where I can find some quotes of popes who erred in the past in their beliefs?  I don't mean recent popes, but popes who lived hundreds of years ago or so. I need this because some in-laws cannot understand what papal infallibility really means. Thank you.


    There is not a single example in the entire history of the Church of a Pope teaching grave error against the Faith in his ordinary magisterium.


    I meant in his private opinion. Such as John XXII believing that there is no private judgment after death. Or the pope of St. Ambrose's day who believed that one could be baptized in the Name of Jesus only and not the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

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    « Reply #3 on: August 10, 2014, 02:00:28 PM »
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    I am doing a research paper about some of Church history. Do any of you know any place where I can find some quotes of popes who erred in the past in their beliefs?  I don't mean recent popes, but popes who lived hundreds of years ago or so. I need this because some in-laws cannot understand what papal infallibility really means. Thank you.


    There is not a single example in the entire history of the Church of a Pope teaching grave error against the Faith in his ordinary magisterium.


    I meant in his private opinion. Such as John XXII believing that there is no private judgment after death. Or the pope of St. Ambrose's day who believed that one could be baptized in the Name of Jesus only and not the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.


    There are some rare examples of Popes erring as private individuals.

    Such examples though have nothing to do with our present crisis, as the men claiming to be popes have taught heresy and error in their ordinary magisterium, and have promulgated evil universal laws.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

    Offline Antony

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    « Reply #4 on: August 10, 2014, 02:12:47 PM »
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  • Please do not try to argue about a paper you know nothing about. I asked for information, not opinions. It always seems on these forums that somebody is always trying to pick an argument. I was not. I only asked for sources.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 10, 2014, 02:17:48 PM »
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    Please do not try to argue about a paper you know nothing about. I asked for information, not opinions. It always seems on these forums that somebody is always trying to pick an argument. I was not. I only asked for sources.


    Ambrose always has a theological ax to grind.  Pay no attention to him.  He has gone on record declaring the inerrarncy of all authentic papal teaching.  Ambrose is a popalater.

    I'm not sure where one can find the resource, but the Vatican I Fathers actually came up with a substantial list of errors made by popes in their authentic magisterium ... and this list contributed to their circumscribing infallibility by the so-called notes.

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    « Reply #6 on: August 10, 2014, 02:20:26 PM »
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    Please do not try to argue about a paper you know nothing about. I asked for information, not opinions. It always seems on these forums that somebody is always trying to pick an argument. I was not. I only asked for sources.


    Ambrose always has a theological ax to grind.  Pay no attention to him.  He has gone on record declaring the inerrarncy of all authentic papal teaching.  Ambrose is a popalater.

    I'm not sure where one can find the resource, but the Vatican I Fathers actually came up with a substantial list of errors made by popes in their authentic magisterium ... and this list contributed to their circumscribing infallibility by the so-called notes.


    Thanks, Ladislaus.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 10, 2014, 02:29:59 PM »
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    Please do not try to argue about a paper you know nothing about. I asked for information, not opinions. It always seems on these forums that somebody is always trying to pick an argument. I was not. I only asked for sources.


    Do your own research. Lazy.


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    « Reply #8 on: August 10, 2014, 02:30:05 PM »
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    Please do not try to argue about a paper you know nothing about. I asked for information, not opinions. It always seems on these forums that somebody is always trying to pick an argument. I was not. I only asked for sources.


    This fellow is laying his sede-vacant groundwork which is not relevant to your inquiry.

    BTW, Your Father remains in daily prayer.


    God Bless

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    « Reply #9 on: August 10, 2014, 02:42:33 PM »
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    Please do not try to argue about a paper you know nothing about. I asked for information, not opinions. It always seems on these forums that somebody is always trying to pick an argument. I was not. I only asked for sources.


    This fellow is laying his sede-vacant groundwork which is not relevant to your inquiry.

    BTW, Your Father remains in daily prayer.


    God Bless


    No, I am stating facts.  Why does it matter whether some Popes err as private individuals?  It's irrelevant.
    The Council of Trent, The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Papal Teaching, The Teaching of the Holy Office, The Teaching of the Church Fathers, The Code of Canon Law, Countless approved catechisms, The Doctors of the Church, The teaching of the Dogmatic

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    « Reply #10 on: August 10, 2014, 03:13:20 PM »
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    Please do not try to argue about a paper you know nothing about. I asked for information, not opinions. It always seems on these forums that somebody is always trying to pick an argument. I was not. I only asked for sources.


    This fellow is laying his sede-vacant groundwork which is not relevant to your inquiry.

    BTW, Your Father remains in daily prayer.


    God Bless


    How did you know about my father? Thank you for the prayers. He died on May 5. The day of St. Pius V. My father came to tradition before he died and received conditional Baptism and Confirmation. He also received Extreme Unction and Viaticum. Thanks again for your prayers.


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    « Reply #11 on: August 10, 2014, 03:20:29 PM »
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  • Prayers for your father's soul, also.

    Here is an article that can be a good start for your research:

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/i009-PopeErrors-1.htm
    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    « Reply #12 on: August 10, 2014, 04:36:30 PM »
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    My father came to tradition before he died and received conditional Baptism and Confirmation. He also received Extreme Unction and Viaticum.


    Wow, what a tremendous blessing!  Certainly a great consolation in your loss.  

    Sorry I can't help with a pertinent answer to your question, though.  Nice try, coming here for it.  

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    « Reply #13 on: August 10, 2014, 04:37:51 PM »
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    Please do not try to argue about a paper you know nothing about. I asked for information, not opinions. It always seems on these forums that somebody is always trying to pick an argument. I was not. I only asked for sources.


    This fellow is laying his sede-vacant groundwork which is not relevant to your inquiry.

    BTW, Your Father remains in daily prayer.


    God Bless


    How did you know about my father? Thank you for the prayers. He died on May 5. The day of St. Pius V. My father came to tradition before he died and received conditional Baptism and Confirmation. He also received Extreme Unction and Viaticum. Thanks again for your prayers.


    You requested prayers during his illness. Prayers for the repose of his soul will continue.

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    « Reply #14 on: August 10, 2014, 04:38:39 PM »
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  • Hopefully this will help: http://www.cmri.org/96prog5.htm

     

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