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Popes next encyclical is on "climate change"
« on: December 30, 2014, 02:32:01 PM »
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    He has been called the “superman pope”, and it would be hard to deny that Pope Francis has had a good December. Cited by President Barack σbαmα as a key player in the thawing relations between the US and Cuba, the Argentinian pontiff followed that by lecturing his cardinals on the need to clean up Vatican politics. But can Francis achieve a feat that has so far eluded secular powers and inspire decisive action on climate change?

    It looks as if he will give it a go. In 2015, the pope will issue a lengthy message on the subject to the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics, give an address to the UN general assembly and call a summit of the world’s main religions.

    The reason for such frenetic activity, says Bishop Marcelo Sorondo, chancellor of the Vatican’s Pontifical Academy of Sciences, is the pope’s wish to directly influence next year’s crucial UN climate meeting in Paris, when countries will try to conclude 20 years of fraught negotiations with a universal commitment to reduce emissions.

    “Our academics supported the pope’s initiative to influence next year’s crucial decisions,” Sorondo told Cafod, the Catholic development agency, at a meeting in London. “The idea is to convene a meeting with leaders of the main religions to make all people aware of the state of our climate and the tragedy of social exclusion.”

    Following a visit in March to Tacloban, the Philippine city devastated in 2012 by typhoon Haiyan, the pope will publish a rare encyclical on climate change and human ecology. Urging all Catholics to take action on moral and scientific grounds, the document will be sent to the world’s 5,000 Catholic bishops and 400,000 priests, who will distribute it to parishioners.

    According to Vatican insiders, Francis will meet other faith leaders and lobby politicians at the general assembly in New York in September, when countries will sign up to new anti-poverty and environmental goals.

    In recent months, the pope has argued for a radical new financial and economic system to avoid human inequality and ecological devastation. In October he told a meeting of Latin American and Asian landless peasants and other social movements: “An economic system centred on the god of money needs to plunder nature to sustain the frenetic rhythm of consumption that is inherent to it.

    “The system continues unchanged, since what dominates are the dynamics of an economy and a finance that are lacking in ethics. It is no longer man who commands, but money. Cash commands.

    “The monopolising of lands, deforestation, the appropriation of water, inadequate agro-toxics are some of the evils that tear man from the land of his birth. Climate change, the loss of biodiversity and deforestation are already showing their devastating effects in the great cataclysms we witness,” he said.

    In Lima last month, bishops from every continent expressed their frustration with the stalled climate talks and, for the first time, urged rich countries to act.

    Sorondo, a fellow Argentinian who is known to be close to Pope Francis, said: “Just as humanity confronted ʀɛʋօʟutιօnary change in the 19th century at the time of industrialisation, today we have changed the natural environment so much. If current trends continue, the century will witness unprecedented climate change and destruction of the ecosystem with tragic consequences.”

    According to Neil Thorns, head of advocacy at Cafod, said: “The anticipation around Pope Francis’s forthcoming encyclical is unprecedented. We have seen thousands of our supporters commit to making sure their MPs know climate change is affecting the poorest communities.”

    However, Francis’s environmental radicalism is likely to attract resistance from Vatican conservatives and in rightwing church circles, particularly in the US – where Catholic climate sceptics also include John Boehner, Republican leader of the House of Representatives and Rick Santorum, the former Republican presidential candidate.

    Cardinal George Pell, a former archbishop of Sydney who has been placed in charge of the Vatican’s budget, is a climate change sceptic who has been criticised for claiming that global warming has ceased and that if carbon dioxide in the atmosphere were doubled, then “plants would love it”.
    Former Archbishop of Sydney, Cardinal George Pell arrives at the Clementina Hall to exchange Christmas greetings with Pope Francis on 22 December, 2014 in Vatican City. Former Archbishop of Sydney, Cardinal George Pell, arrives at the Vatican to exchange Christmas greetings with Pope Francis on 22 December, 2014. Photograph: Franco Origlia/Getty Images

    Dan Misleh, director of the Catholic climate covenant, said: “There will always be 5-10% of people who will take offence. They are very vocal and have political clout. This encyclical will threaten some people and bring joy to others. The arguments are around economics and science rather than morality.

    “A papal encyclical is rare. It is among the highest levels of a pope’s authority. It will be 50 to 60 pages long; it’s a big deal. But there is a contingent of Catholics here who say he should not be getting involved in political issues, that he is outside his expertise.”

    Francis will also be opposed by the powerful US evangelical movement, said Calvin Beisner, spokesman for the conservative Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, which has declared the US environmental movement to be “un-biblical” and a false religion.

    “The pope should back off,” he said. “The Catholic church is correct on the ethical principles but has been misled on the science. It follows that the policies the Vatican is promoting are incorrect. Our position reflects the views of millions of evangelical Christians in the US.”
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    Popes next encyclical is on "climate change"
    « Reply #1 on: December 30, 2014, 03:00:31 PM »
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    Curious.  

    The Climate Change Circus Ring              



    While being noted as "a key player in the thawing relations between the US and Cuba," the Argentinian pontiff ["bishop of Rome"] throws his hat in the climate change ring, just as Americans who have complied with government urgings to strive for higher gas mileage (and therefore lower emissions) are now being hit with a NEW GAS TAX because the liberal lawmakers who had urged everyone to burn less gasoline later realized that would reduce gas tax revenue and THEREFORE we need a new gas tax to be "fair."  


    Only problem with that is any taxes collected for road maintenance will only go to line the wallets of the creeps who collect it and little or none of it will "TRICKLE DOWN" to any real benefit to the motorists who were taxed.


    Fill up your gas tank today and tomorrow, for Thursday, it will cost MORE.

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    « Reply #2 on: December 30, 2014, 04:29:57 PM »
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  • It was disturbing that many Catholics for the environment were fasting for Ramadan.  
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    « Reply #3 on: December 30, 2014, 04:58:26 PM »
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  • I guess the Masons who wrote in the mid-1800's that their goal was to get the Pope and the bishops marching under the Masonic banners have seen their dreams fulfilled.  Their plans worked.

    Climate change is a very useful tool for statists and one-worlders and just plain power hungry fools.  Why do I call "climate change" a tool?  Because it used to be called global warming at the beginning of this decade and in the 1970's it was "global cooling" and in the 1920's it was "global warming" and, surprise of surprises, each time around the "science" was "settled".  Some of the same proponents of global cooling are now proponents of climate change without explaining why they changed their position.  One more key reason why we know it's a tool?  The solution is always more governmental control over our lives.  

    Pope Francis is marching under the banner of the Masons.

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    « Reply #4 on: December 30, 2014, 05:18:25 PM »
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  • After seeing this posted on various fora, this just hit me:  I wonder how this connection with science falls in line with Pascendi.
    "For there is not any thing secret that shall not be made manifest, nor hidden, that shall not be known and come abroad."- Luke 8:17


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    « Reply #5 on: December 30, 2014, 05:21:05 PM »
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    I think they advertize for this encyclical beforehand so that they can observe the reactions in order to help write it.


    Trial balloons?  From Rome?   Say it isn't so!
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    « Reply #6 on: December 30, 2014, 05:21:07 PM »
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    It was disturbing that many Catholics for the environment were fasting for Ramadan.  


    Really?  I missed that one.

    But, frankly (no pun intended), is anyone actually surprised?

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    « Reply #7 on: December 30, 2014, 07:38:01 PM »
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  • ...and I'll ignore this encyclical just as I ignore anything else this guy says.
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X


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    Popes next encyclical is on "climate change"
    « Reply #8 on: December 30, 2014, 07:53:02 PM »
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  • OK Ill admit, Francis might just be worse than Paul VI. I may have to change my opinion that Paul VI was the most evil man ever. Next thing you know he will go on about having to control the population to keep it from growing and how it is good how ƈhıną controls its population through forced abortions.
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    « Reply #9 on: December 30, 2014, 09:51:11 PM »
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    I think they advertize for this encyclical beforehand so that they can observe the reactions in order to help write it.


    This.

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    ...and I'll ignore this encyclical just as I ignore anything else this guy says.


    Hilarious.


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    It was disturbing that many Catholics for the environment were fasting for Ramadan.  


    Could you re-write this sentence?  I really am interested in what you are telling me, here.  Are you saying the following:
     
         It was disturbing that many environmentalist Catholics were fasting for Ramadan.


    Is that what you were saying?  If so, do you have a link to a source on this?  I would like to read more.  


                        # # #

    I'm surprised that Cathinfo folks are a few days behind on this news.  I've been well into a few days' worth of argument, over at fαcebσσƙ as well as at Fisheaters.  

    It's positively insane.  It is as if these people watched "An Inconvenient Truth" in high school, and just accepted it hook, line, and sinker.  Can people not critically think or question any longer?  

    I was under the impression that at this point a majority of people considered global warming to be a hoax.  But then again, I don't really work to surround myself with imbeciles.  

    And, of course, I've also been posting about this over at homebase.  




    I think tonight will be the third time I post about it by the time I'm done.  The posts are:

    Pope Francis Goes Environmental

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    Climategate Pope, Metropolis Conduct, The Parasite, Breaking Bad


    You know, people really seem to get off on claiming that global warming has occurred throughout the 20th Century.  And yet, if you take a look at the century-long timeline, you will see a peculiar dip in temperature starting after the 40's, and lasting into the 1970s.  

    Now, if it is true that global warming has been occurring in conjunction with the world's industrialization, then how come the rise in temperature has not steadily increased without dipping?  Why does the correlation of temperature increase and industrialization take a break after WWII?  

    Hint: there seems to be cycles in nature.  

    I mean...there used to be crops in Greenland.  Is the Earth supposed to just be 70 degrees all of the time?  Heaven forbid there's such a thing as long-term cycles, or influence from solar factors, or--Heaven forbid--God is in control!

     :rolleyes:  

    Today we tend to see that people panic at the slightest bad report about the environment, and it's a sign of rejection of Divine Providence.  

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    « Reply #10 on: December 30, 2014, 10:00:24 PM »
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    ...and I'll ignore this encyclical just as I ignore anything else this guy says.


    Hilarious.


    Oh, and I suppose you're a loyal subject of this modern-day Judas? How are the Crap Files doing these days? Are you up to five followers yet?
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X


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    « Reply #11 on: December 30, 2014, 10:20:18 PM »
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    ...and I'll ignore this encyclical just as I ignore anything else this guy says.


    Hilarious.


    Oh, and I suppose you're a loyal subject of this modern-day Judas? How are the Crap Files doing these days? Are you up to five followers yet?


     :roll-laugh2:

    Ha ha ha!  You're such a jerk!  I was actually laughing with you when I quoted you!   :laugh2:



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    « Reply #12 on: December 30, 2014, 10:23:27 PM »
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    ...and I'll ignore this encyclical just as I ignore anything else this guy says.


    Hilarious.


    Oh, and I suppose you're a loyal subject of this modern-day Judas? How are the Crap Files doing these days? Are you up to five followers yet?


     :roll-laugh2:

    Ha ha ha!  You're such a jerk!  I was actually laughing with you when I quoted you!   :laugh2:





    I don't believe anything you say. You think all sedevacantists are scum.
    "Kindness is for fools! They [modernists] want to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they ought to be beaten with fists. In a duel, you don't count or measure the blows, you strike as you can. War is not made with charity. It is a struggle, a duel." -- Pope St. Pius X

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    « Reply #13 on: December 30, 2014, 10:34:19 PM »
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    ...and I'll ignore this encyclical just as I ignore anything else this guy says.


    Hilarious.


    Oh, and I suppose you're a loyal subject of this modern-day Judas? How are the Crap Files doing these days? Are you up to five followers yet?


     :roll-laugh2:

    Ha ha ha!  You're such a jerk!  I was actually laughing with you when I quoted you!   :laugh2:





    I don't believe anything you say. You think all sedevacantists are scum.




    Nah.  Scum and Crap are your words.  Not mine.
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    « Reply #14 on: December 30, 2014, 10:41:33 PM »
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    Quote from: Nado
    I think they advertize for this encyclical beforehand so that they can observe the reactions in order to help write it.


    Trial balloons?  From Rome?   Say it isn't so!


    Plenty of hot air to fill them.

    I hope they print it on lots of paper. Irony.


     

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