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    I'd like to start this thread by two paragraphs found today on Wikipedia
    (they might not be there tomorrow, and perhaps were not even there
    yesterday!):

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    Pius X's feast day was assigned in 1955 to 3 September, to be celebrated as a Double. It remained thus for 15 years. In the 1960 calendar (incorporated in the 1962 Roman Missal of Pope John XXIII, whose continued use as an extraordinary form of the Roman Rite is authorized under the conditions indicated in the motu proprio Summorum Pontificum) the rank was changed to Third-Class Feast. The rank in the General Roman Calendar since 1969 is that of Memorial and the feast day is obligatorily celebrated on 21 August, closer to the day of his death (20 August, impeded by the feast day of St Bernard).[35]

    The Confraternity of Christian Doctrine was a big supporter of his canonization, partly because he had ordained the need for its existence in every diocese and because it had received a great deal of episcopal criticism, and it was thought that by canonizing the pope who gave them their mandate, this would help inoculate against this criticism.[12] They initiated a prayer crusade for his canonization that achieved the participation of over two million names.[12]


    What the Wiki article doesn't explain is why this Feast Day was initially
    set at Sept. 3rd upon the Saint's canonization.  It seems rather likely
    the answer lies in the fact that the day preferred for a new saint's feast
    is the day of his death, because it's the day he met his particular
    judgment, which (assured to us by his canonization) had gone very
    favorably for him!  But that day was not available, so then they would
    have checked the next day.  If that was not available they would check
    the following day, and so on, until they find an available day on the
    calendar.  This process had been going on for many centuries, already.

    Now, take a look at the traditional calendar (the one used by most
    traditional groups, which is generally pre-1960, the year the Third
    Secret was supposed to be revealed, and you find that every day
    starting with the day of his death, August 20th, is occupied by another
    saint's feast day of equal or greater rank.  The rank assigned is Double
    for the Feast of Pope St. Pius X.  

    Beginning with August 20th, we see it is taken by St. Bernard, Abbot &
    Doctor of the Church, Double (equal).  So they would have moved on
    to the following day, Aug. 21st., and that is taken by St. Jane Frances
    de Chantal, Widow, Double (equal).  Then comes Aug. 22nd,
    Immaculate Heart of Mary, Double II Class (greater rank than Double),
    Sts. Timothy and Companions, Martyrs, and the simple Octave of the
    Assumption of Our Lady.  It's noteworthy that neither the feast of Sts.
    Timothy &c. or the Octave of the Assumption would have blocked Pope
    St. Pius X, but the IHM did, as Dbl. II Cl.

    (The IHM was established in the 1940's after the Consecration of Russia
    by Pope Pius XII in which he failed to include the particpation of the
    world's bishops for whatever reason, maybe it was just too much
    inconvenience for the Freemasons in his ranks who would have to do
    the work of organizing such collegial cooperation.  Fr. Pfeiffer very
    adamantly describes the shortfall of this action and describes the
    establishment of the Aug. 22nd Feast Day as rather an INSULT to Our
    Lady than a benediction, for it was INSTEAD of doing the Collegial
    Consecration that she had asked for.)

    If anyone needs more, I can treat of each successive day up to
    September 2nd -- which is occupied by St. Stephen, King, Confessor,
    Semi-Double (lesser rank than Double).  It seems that this day could
    have been overtaken by the new feast, since it is lesser rank by one
    degree, but the very next day, Sept. 3rd was entirely vacant, therefore
    they chose it instead.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  It seems to me that
    if St. Pius X's feast day had overtaken St. Steven's, the latter would
    have become commemorated on that day.

    In any event, I have a friend who says there were a number of blog
    sites and forums on the Web where comments two weeks ago were
    going around that "Hey, this is the feast of St. Pius X!"  I told him that
    I thought this must be a NovusOrdo influence, and he didn't know
    one way or the other.  

    When we are going to be discussing Catholicism on the Internet we
    ought to know a lot about the Traditional Faith of Catholics so as to
    instruct the ignorant and to promote the knowledge of the Faith, and
    it often comes down to exposing the wiles and snares of the devil
    which manifest themselves in practically ALL of the post-Vat.II
    changes, and many of the pre-Vat.II changes, too, like the reform of
    Holy Week, for example, beginning in 1954 under Bugnini.

    I told my friend that when we run across a situation like this, we ought
    to let them know that they are trying to make obsolete ideas still
    work, when they've been shown to be a failure.  He replied to me that
    we could say, "That's so 1969!"  

    Usually, in the movement of feast days, the change agents of pre-Vat.II
    Newthink moved feast days BACK on the calendar, so the effect could
    be that the feast would be celebrated EARLIER, and anyone who
    would try to stick with the old ways would be still waiting for their day
    to come when the Newchurchers would be having their party early, so
    then when the traditional day finally arived everyone "in the know"
    would already have "been there, done that," to make the trads feel
    like they're out of touch or something.  See how that works?

    Maybe some members recall these kinds of stories, but I suspect you're
    not going to be able to get much on it by using a search engine!  I
    don't think the topic has been very much covered, yet.  But perhaps
    now is the time!!




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    Pope Saint Pius X - Feast Day - September 3rd ... or, is it August 21st?
    « Reply #1 on: September 02, 2013, 09:56:22 AM »
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  • Interesting; thank you. Really, that's one of the more egregious changes, imo.

    My sister was born on Pope St. Pius X' feast day (9/3), surely a big reason we're familiar with the "new" feast dates, but I've never quite understood why the calendar was tossed like it was (besides rampant evil).

    We were a bit lucky that school started just before labor day, well after the NO feast date, and we were happily able to insist that St. PPX's true feast day was on the 3rd.
    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

    +JMJ


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    Pope Saint Pius X - Feast Day - September 3rd ... or, is it August 21st?
    « Reply #2 on: September 02, 2013, 10:53:53 AM »
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  • For the sake of preserving some kind of consistency, one or other Traditional (pre 1969 V2 Council of Mass Destruction instigated) calendar is to be used. There are no doubt good arguments to replace some of the changes made in 1955, but prudence must weigh in. For that virtue, methinks it is best to remain with the 62 calendar until a time in the future when all this present day evil shall have passed. I do not know many Trads who have any truck with the NewCalendar, even though there might be a saint here and there recently introduced that is found appealing or worthy. For all the saints who truly ARE saints, thus elevated since the Time of the Fallout, as they cannot practically be incorporated into the Traditional Calendar, we can choose to offer proper veneration on November 1, that great feast which can serve as a necessary catch all for all those holy saints who were thus acknowledged by the ever dubious conciliar regime.

    As a personal desire, it would be better for Holy Week and Eastertide to reclaim parts that were lost. My version of the Liber U. still contains the perfidy pronouncement when it comes to the Red Sea pedestrians during the Good Friday Liturgy of the Presanctified. Amen for small mercies.

    I actually heard this prayed before, in a FSSP Mass (before indultery became too much to bear), and boy that was a surprise. It turned out it was an older altar missal that was being used, and the priest did not catch it until it was too late.

    Ah, my kingdom for a Resistance priest for my environs!

    Father Girouard is the closest..only 2 hours away....by jet aircraft :cry:
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster

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    Pope Saint Pius X - Feast Day - September 3rd ... or, is it August 21st?
    « Reply #3 on: September 02, 2013, 11:34:37 AM »
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  • But... but! THE 1962 missal is AWESOME don'tcha know!  :rahrah:

     :furtive:

     :facepalm:
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    Pope Saint Pius X - Feast Day - September 3rd ... or, is it August 21st?
    « Reply #4 on: September 02, 2013, 07:16:19 PM »
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    But... but! THE 1962 missal is AWESOME don'tcha know! /
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    Alas it will generally have to serve until the crisis burns itself out, or the Resistance and other sympathetic Trads are conflagrated.  :heretic:

    I am sure there will be a day when we shall see a great restoration of the liturgy. Only small steps can be taken at the present without causing unnecessary disruption.
    Da pacem Domine in diebus nostris
    Qui non est alius
    Qui pugnet pro nobis
    Nisi  tu Deus noster


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    Pope Saint Pius X - Feast Day - September 3rd ... or, is it August 21st?
    « Reply #5 on: September 03, 2013, 07:58:08 AM »
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  • Bugnini knowingly paved the way for Faustina Day to be celebrated during Easter; no respect for that.

    And Pius Papa X is the third reading of Matins TODAY, Sept 3, and throughout the day today he's mentioned in the final prayer of each office (well, except Prime). Today is the feast day of Saint Pope Pius X. Copy paste of the English because it's just right:

    Quote from: 3rd Reading, Matins

    Pope Pius X, whose name previously was Joseph Sarto, was born in the village of Riese in the Venetian province. He enrolled among the students in the seminary of Padua and, when he had been ordained priest, was first curate in the town of Tombolo, then pastor at Salzano, then canon and chancellor of the bishop's curia at Treviso. He was so outstanding in holiness that Leo XIII made him bishop of the Church of Mantua. Lacking in nothing that maketh a good pastor, he laboured particularly to teach young men called to the priesthood ; he fostered the beauty of divine worship and the growth of devout associations ; he saw to the needs of the poor with generous charity. Because of his great merits, he was made a cardinal and created Patriarch of Venice. After the death of Pope Leo XIII he took up the supreme pontificate as a cross, having refused it in vain. Placed upon the chair of Peter, he gave up nothing of his former way of life. He shone especially in humility, simplicity and poverty. He ruled the Church firmly and adorned it with brilliant teachings. As a most vigilant guardian of the Faith, he condemned and suppressed Modernism, the sum of all heresies ; as a most zealous defender of the freedom of the Church, he boldly resisted those who strove to bring about her downfall ; he provided for the sound education of clerics, brought the laws of the Church together into one body ; and greatly fostered the cult and more frequent reception of the Eucharist. Worn out with his labours and overcome with grief at the European war which had just begun, he went to his heavenly home on August 20th in the year 1914. Pope Pius XII numbered him among the Saints.


    This, and the many mentions in today's prayers, is why Bugnini had to get the Divine Office deep-sixed. Well that, and he didn't want people praying too much.

    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

    +JMJ

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    Pope Saint Pius X - Feast Day - September 3rd ... or, is it August 21st?
    « Reply #6 on: September 03, 2013, 07:59:36 AM »
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  • "Alas it will generally have to serve until the crisis burns itself out, or the Resistance and other sympathetic Trads are conflagrated.  :heretic:

    I am sure there will be a day when we shall see a great restoration of the liturgy. Only small steps can be taken at the present without causing unnecessary disruption. " --Kaz

    Could say the same thing about 1965, that "it wasn't that bad, and we'll just have to use this one until the crisis burns itself out."

    Best route is just not to compromise.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    Pope Saint Pius X - Feast Day - September 3rd ... or, is it August 21st?
    « Reply #7 on: September 03, 2013, 07:59:52 AM »
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    Alas it will generally have to serve until the crisis burns itself out, or the Resistance and other sympathetic Trads are conflagrated.  :heretic:

    I am sure there will be a day when we shall see a great restoration of the liturgy. Only small steps can be taken at the present without causing unnecessary disruption.


    I would very much like to see the Resistance revert to the 54 Missal.  If I recall, ABL is on record as regretting gone to the 62.  
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    Pope Saint Pius X - Feast Day - September 3rd ... or, is it August 21st?
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    Interesting; thank you. Really, that's one of the more egregious changes, imo.


    You're welcome.  Yes, egregious is well-said.  The Newcalendar
    was simply imposed by fiat - it was not "promulgated" at all, just
    like the Newmass was not promulgated in fact.  

    A bunch of meddlesome wreckovationists dreamed up a new
    calendar and lots of bishops grabbed it and went with it just for
    the sake of novelty.  It was a major trial balloon for the insipid
    innovations that would come with the unclean spirit of Vatican II.  

    In fact, at the time, right at the beginning of Vat.II, the
    oft-repeated phrase was that whatever novelty was coming
    down the pike was "according to the spirit of Vatican II."  This
    phrase was so overrun it made me sick to hear it and I was
    merely a child at the time, but I heard what I heard and I didn't
    like it, but I didn't really know why I didn't like it, but for the
    consolation I got from my dear mother, God rest her soul, who
    had received a fine, traditional formation from nuns in Minnesota.


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    My sister was born on Pope St. Pius X' feast day (9/3), surely a big reason we're familiar with the "new" feast dates, but I've never quite understood why the calendar was tossed like it was (besides rampant evil).



    Happy birthday to your sister!!   :rahrah:


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    We were a bit lucky that school started just before labor day, well after the NO feast date, and we were happily able to insist that St. PPX's true feast day was on the 3rd.



    You're going to face ridicule from Newchurchers if you are among
    them, when you try to stick with the traditional calendar.  The
    best approach is to remain firm, and to say that you prefer to
    keep the Faith according to Apostolic Tradition, that is, to hand
    down that which you have received, instead of something that is
    artificially imposed by a questionable mandate from a gang of
    wreckovationists.  

    It certainly seems to be a PRIMARY EARMARK of any truly
    traditional group to use the same calendar that was tossed out
    under John XXIII.

    And it is therefore a primary concern of ours when any ostensibly
    traditional group makes ANY ACCOMMODATION WHATSOEVER
    with Newchurch by way of any Newcalendar differences, and
    having the Feast Day of St. Pius X on August 21st is a perfect
    example.  

    Now, there might be an exception to the extent that you can
    have a conversation with them without getting all angry or
    emotional, to the effect that you have a nice discussion about
    the history and papacy of St. Pius X in the context of August
    21st, since that is the day that they're talking about him.  Our
    contribution should be primarily on the virtues and signal grace of
    his holy pontificate, rather on the deviance of the Newcalendar.  

    There should be a firm stand, but there needs to be a balance of
    priority.  I would suggest about 5-to-1 ratio of emphasis, 5 parts
    for the marvels of a saintly pope and his works, to 1 part of
    denouncing the ridiculous change of his feast day.

    You could even make it 10-to-1.  And don't let them change your
    emphasis!  Don't go off track by engaging in a lengthy complaint
    about the Newcalendar.  Stick to the holiness and the power of
    the papacy of ST. PIUS X.  There is a LOT to say about that.  

    In fact, the Wikipedia article that I quoted from, above, has a
    very LONG page all about the life and works of this great saint.  
    I'll copy it here in a subsequent post.

    Up until Vat.II and its aftermath (which is where we are now,
    actually) St. Pius X was the only pope-saint since St. Pius V, who
    had lived and died 350 years previously.  We can now say, as of
    2013, that these two popes are still the ONLY POPE-SAINTS IN
    THE LAST 500 YEARS.

    Compare that to the early Church, when every pope was a saint
    until something like the 4th century.  And in the first 1000 years
    of the Church, it was more common for any given pope to be a
    saint than not.  But in the second millenium, that changed, so
    that it has been more common for a pope to NOT be a saint
    since the year A.D. 1000.  This seems to have been reflected in
    the longstanding tradition that popes of the second millenium
    have taken names only from among prior popes of the first
    millenium.  We have not had any popes-the-first whoever since
    A.D. 1000.  

    Then came John-Paul I.  At the time, it was quite daring for him
    to do that, and it caused a lot of raised eyebrows.  But he didn't
    last so long, for a number of reasons, not the least of which was
    that he was about to do a Vatican Bank shake-down.  

    So he was "replaced" with another Liberal, only one who was
    rather accomplished at ACTING, inasmuch as he was aware of
    how to go about believing one thing and all the while pretending
    to believe something quite inimical to that.  (The inimical thing
    was, of course, the Traditional Catholic Faith).

    And now we're facing the ominous fact that this imposter of
    duplicity is about to be so-called canonized.  

    Not only that, but all of his buddies-in-arms are slated for the
    same conspicuous abomination of desolation, "he that readeth
    let him understand" (Matt. xxiv. 15).

    Remember how this started:  It was headline news in about the
    year 2000 when JPII announced the imminent beatification of
    first, Pope Pius IX of happy memory.  But then, in the same
    announcement was that following on his coat-tails was to be
    the alarming so-called beatification of John XXIII.  

    (Parenthetically, it was actually uncharacteristic of JPII to be so
    methodical in his judgments, for he was prone to merely
    proclaim something by fiat, and fully expected it to be taken as
    such.  He was riding in a car, for example, passing a prominent
    church in the New York area, or Maryland approximately, when
    his the priest sitting next to him mentioned that it is thought
    that this church ought to be a Cathedral.  JPII said "And so it is."
    The priest replied, "Well, your Holiness, it would take some
    doing, a lot of preliminary work and putting things in order,
    before we could say that..." and the Pope interrupted him,
    saying, "You were not paying attention!  I said it is a Cathedral
    and therefore, it is just that: a Cathedral."  I have heard it
    argued that JPII made a dogmatic definition protected by
    papal infallibility when he said that women cannot be ordained
    priests.  But it was not touted as such at the time, officially.  
    Then later, B16 explained in some offhand comment, that that
    had not been infallible because JPII had not had the INTENTION
    of making it infallible.  Everything else was in place, but that one
    essential component was missing, therefore, it was not
    infallible.)

    Stories were immediately circulated at that time regarding the
    exhumation of Pope John's remains when they had found his
    body to be FACE DOWN inside the casket.  Put that together
    with the claim that he had muttered "Stop the Council! Stop
    the Council!" before he died, and it would seem that the
    persistence of Vat.II may have caused him to be "turning over
    in his grave."

    If JPII was good at anything, it was sleight-of-hand tricks in the
    media.  It should not be too surprising that he greatly admired
    clowns, perhaps because he was never able to be one himself.  
    You've either got it or you don't.

    I am thinking about the death of a true clown, Stanley Laurel (of
    Laurel and Hardy fame).  He was very gifted at bringing a smile
    to the faces of millions of fans, all at once, a talent he maintained
    to the bitter end, literally.  For when he was very close to death,
    he was quoted uttering perhaps his most enduring words of all:  

    "If any of you cry at my funeral, I'll never speak to you again."


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