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Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2019, 06:44:20 AM »
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    • Quote from: Quo vadis Domine on June 16, 2019, 04:43:25 AM
    Just because Wikipedia published it doesn’t make it true. The reference is to an article in the Jєωιѕн Woman’s Archive which, in turn, doesn’t seem to have a reference. I doubt they were that “close”, but I’m sure he tried to convert him.

    Here's another reference, from Sarfatti's book My Fault: Mussolini As I Knew Him
    https://tinyurl.com/y4kqsokf

    Pope Pius X befriended Grassini because he was anti-socialist. One of my pet peeves with the modern church is the emphasis on battling branches of the Jєωιѕн root and not the Jєωιѕн root. Keep people talking about all these Jєω-created isms. So you have the spectacle of Catholics forming alliances with Jєωs to battle lesser enemies instead of setting an example and being anti-Jєωιѕн. The modern church should have focused solely on the Jєωs and ignored all these diversions created by Jєωs to keep gentiles off their scent. All these garbage ideologies have their root in the Jєωs.

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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #31 on: June 16, 2019, 04:45:48 PM »
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    • Quote from: rum on June 16, 2019, 04:06:42 AM
    I've read that Pope Pius X counted Jєωs as some of his best friends. The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jєωry.

    The mistress of Mussolini Incredulous references is not Margherita Sarfatti, another of Mussolini's mistresses.
    --https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita_Sarfatti

    I prefer that a canonized pope had had zero Jєωιѕн friends.
    This is inaccurate. As opposed to the regal Pope Leo, it was quite easy to get an audience w the genial Pius X-- who would see just about anyone. In spite of this he initially refused to see Herzl( whose son later converted to RCatholic). The Pope only relented when Herzl persisted. Pope then had to tell him  that no help would be coming to Zionista's from Rome. :popcorn:
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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #32 on: June 16, 2019, 06:37:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: rum on June 16, 2019, 04:06:42 AM
    I've read that Pope Pius X counted Jєωs as some of his best friends. The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jєωry.

    The mistress of Mussolini Incredulous references is not Margherita Sarfatti, another of Mussolini's mistresses.
    --https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita_Sarfatti

    I prefer that a canonized pope had had zero Jєωιѕн friends.

    We should never forget, that we are constantly bombarded by lies.
    Saints who have Jєω-buddies, like JPII are highly questionable saints?

    Catholics discount or are ignorant that print media reeks of Jєωιѕн ghost-writers who are impersonators, otherwise called "ringers".  

    They are big in Catholic media too. 
    Roy Schoeman the marrano, is an example of an bold ringer, writing untruths about Catholic tradition (e.g., Our Lady of LaSalette).

    Jєω ghost-writing is a huge industry critical for creating and sustaining myths.

    BTW, St. Pope Pius X very diplomatically, shut-down Herzl, the "father of zionism".



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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #33 on: June 16, 2019, 11:28:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 10, 2019, 08:34:09 AM
    Tisserant was instrumental in forcing Siri to step down and installing Roncalli.
    Siri was never Pope.
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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #34 on: June 16, 2019, 11:40:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 16, 2019, 11:28:23 PM
    Siri was never Pope.
              



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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #35 on: June 17, 2019, 12:44:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: rum on June 16, 2019, 04:06:42 AM
    I've read that Pope Pius X counted Jєωs as some of his best friends. The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jєωry.

    The mistress of Mussolini Incredulous references is not Margherita Sarfatti, another of Mussolini's mistresses.
    --https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita_Sarfatti

    I prefer that a canonized pope had had zero Jєωιѕн friends.
    We take our friends as we find them. Where I live there are very few Catholics. In the case of Pope St Pius' friendship with various Jєωs, this gave him the opportunity for them to learn about the Catholic Faith from a very good teacher. Jesus said, "Go out to all the world and preach the Gospel." It is to us to bring the Catholic Faith to where we find ourselves.    
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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #36 on: June 17, 2019, 01:37:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe on June 16, 2019, 04:45:48 PM
    This is inaccurate. As opposed to the regal Pope Leo, it was quite easy to get an audience w the genial Pius X-- who would see just about anyone. In spite of this he initially refused to see Herzl( whose son later converted to RCatholic). The Pope only relented when Herzl persisted. Pope then had to tell him  that no help would be coming to Zionista's from Rome. :popcorn:
    That is part of how true ecuмenism should be. Be congenial. Be friendly. But at key moments we have to say "no."
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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #37 on: June 17, 2019, 02:43:18 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on June 17, 2019, 01:37:45 AM
    That is part of how true ecuмenism should be. Be congenial. Be friendly. But at key moments we have to say "no."
    So you disagree with how the VII “popes” handled ecuмenism?
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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #38 on: June 17, 2019, 05:09:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe on June 16, 2019, 04:45:48 PM
    This is inaccurate. As opposed to the regal Pope Leo, it was quite easy to get an audience w the genial Pius X-- who would see just about anyone. In spite of this he initially refused to see Herzl( whose son later converted to RCatholic). The Pope only relented when Herzl persisted. Pope then had to tell him  that no help would be coming to Zionista's from Rome. :popcorn:
    What's inaccurate in my post? You missed this part?

    "The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jєωry."

    Hans Herzl's conversion doesn't sound very powerful. He committed ѕυιcιdє and requested to be buried in a Jєωιѕн cemetery, and also attended a ѕуηαgσgυє before his death:

    https://www.jta.org/1930/09/18/archive/hans-herzl-son-of-theodor-herzl-commits-ѕυιcιdє-after-funeral-of-sister-paulina

    It's true that Pope Pius X was firm toward Jєωry on some points, but he appears to have eschewed the view of many popes and saints that Catholics should have no relationship with them other than for the purpose of trying to convert them. If a Jєω shows no sign of not wanting to destroy his inner Jєω then he's dangerous company.
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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #39 on: June 17, 2019, 05:12:22 PM »
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    • Read, "The Plot Against the Church" and you will get the correct knowledge of just how the Jєωs truly are.  Pretenders.  The Fifth column.
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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #40 on: June 17, 2019, 08:07:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: rum on June 17, 2019, 05:09:14 AM
    What's inaccurate in my post? You missed this part?

    "The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jєωry."

    Hans Herzl's conversion doesn't sound very powerful. He committed ѕυιcιdє and requested to be buried in a Jєωιѕн cemetery, and also attended a ѕуηαgσgυє before his death:

    https://www.jta.org/1930/09/18/archive/hans-herzl-son-of-theodor-herzl-commits-ѕυιcιdє-after-funeral-of-sister-paulina

    It's true that Pope Pius X was firm toward Jєωry on some points, but he appears to have eschewed the view of many popes and saints that Catholics should have no relationship with them other than for the purpose of trying to convert them. If a Jєω shows no sign of not wanting to destroy his inner Jєω then he's dangerous company.
    I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I do not share your view of Pius X which appears to moi as an accusation against a canonised saint. :confused:
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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #41 on: June 17, 2019, 10:49:58 PM »
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    • Quote from: rum on June 17, 2019, 05:09:14 AM
    What's inaccurate in my post? You missed this part?

    "The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jєωry."

    Hans Herzl's conversion doesn't sound very powerful. He committed ѕυιcιdє and requested to be buried in a Jєωιѕн cemetery, and also attended a ѕуηαgσgυє before his death:

    https://www.jta.org/1930/09/18/archive/hans-herzl-son-of-theodor-herzl-commits-ѕυιcιdє-after-funeral-of-sister-paulina

    It's true that Pope Pius X was firm toward Jєωry on some points, but he appears to have eschewed the view of many popes and saints that Catholics should have no relationship with them other than for the purpose of trying to convert them. If a Jєω shows no sign of not wanting to destroy his inner Jєω then he's dangerous company.
    He is the supreme pontiff. He is the leader in evangelization. He does what is best in the arena of evangelization.  if you don't communicate with them then they cannot learn about Christ. They will never learn that Jesus loves them. They will never know the wonder and the beauty of the Holy Virgin.  
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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #42 on: June 18, 2019, 06:18:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on June 10, 2019, 08:35:45 AM
    Whether or not he was murdered, it was evidently God's will that the speech not be delivered.  Might we speculate that it was the "condemnation of" putative "anti-Semitism" that God did not want delivered to the world?
    The speech would have placed the Vatican on the side of the ʝʊdɛօ-Masonic Allies.
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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #43 on: June 19, 2019, 11:58:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: rum on June 17, 2019, 05:09:14 AM
    What's inaccurate in my post? You missed this part?

    "The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jєωry."

    Hans Herzl's conversion doesn't sound very powerful. He committed ѕυιcιdє and requested to be buried in a Jєωιѕн cemetery, and also attended a ѕуηαgσgυє before his death:

    https://www.jta.org/1930/09/18/archive/hans-herzl-son-of-theodor-herzl-commits-ѕυιcιdє-after-funeral-of-sister-paulina

    It's true that Pope Pius X was firm toward Jєωry on some points, but he appears to have eschewed the view of many popes and saints that Catholics should have no relationship with them other than for the purpose of trying to convert them. If a Jєω shows no sign of not wanting to destroy his inner Jєω then he's dangerous company.
    Thanks for info but what evidence do you have that St Pius X is responsible for Hans being a marrano?
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