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Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2019, 06:44:20 AM »
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  • Just because Wikipedia published it doesn’t make it true. The reference is to an article in the Jewish Woman’s Archive which, in turn, doesn’t seem to have a reference. I doubt they were that “close”, but I’m sure he tried to convert him.

    Here's another reference, from Sarfatti's book My Fault: Mussolini As I Knew Him
    https://tinyurl.com/y4kqsokf

    Pope Pius X befriended Grassini because he was anti-socialist. One of my pet peeves with the modern church is the emphasis on battling branches of the Jewish root and not the Jewish root. Keep people talking about all these Jew-created isms. So you have the spectacle of Catholics forming alliances with Jews to battle lesser enemies instead of setting an example and being anti-Jewish. The modern church should have focused solely on the Jews and ignored all these diversions created by Jews to keep gentiles off their scent. All these garbage ideologies have their root in the Jews.


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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #31 on: June 16, 2019, 04:45:48 PM »
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  • I've read that Pope Pius X counted Jews as some of his best friends. The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jewry.

    The mistress of Mussolini Incredulous references is not Margherita Sarfatti, another of Mussolini's mistresses.
    --https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita_Sarfatti

    I prefer that a canonized pope had had zero Jewish friends.
    This is inaccurate. As opposed to the regal Pope Leo, it was quite easy to get an audience w the genial Pius X-- who would see just about anyone. In spite of this he initially refused to see Herzl( whose son later converted to RCatholic). The Pope only relented when Herzl persisted. Pope then had to tell him  that no help would be coming to Zionista's from Rome. :popcorn:
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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #32 on: June 16, 2019, 06:37:26 PM »
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  • I've read that Pope Pius X counted Jews as some of his best friends. The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jewry.

    The mistress of Mussolini Incredulous references is not Margherita Sarfatti, another of Mussolini's mistresses.
    --https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita_Sarfatti

    I prefer that a canonized pope had had zero Jewish friends.

    We should never forget, that we are constantly bombarded by lies.
    Saints who have jew-buddies, like JPII are highly questionable saints?

    Catholics discount or are ignorant that print media reeks of jewish ghost-writers who are impersonators, otherwise called "ringers".  

    They are big in Catholic media too. 
    Roy Schoeman the marrano, is an example of an bold ringer, writing untruths about Catholic tradition (e.g., Our Lady of LaSalette).

    Jew ghost-writing is a huge industry critical for creating and sustaining myths.

    BTW, St. Pope Pius X very diplomatically, shut-down Herzl, the "father of zionism".



    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #33 on: June 16, 2019, 11:28:23 PM »
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  • Tisserant was instrumental in forcing Siri to step down and installing Roncalli.
    Siri was never Pope.

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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #34 on: June 16, 2019, 11:40:12 PM »
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  • Siri was never Pope.
              



    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #35 on: June 17, 2019, 12:44:41 AM »
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  • I've read that Pope Pius X counted Jews as some of his best friends. The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jewry.

    The mistress of Mussolini Incredulous references is not Margherita Sarfatti, another of Mussolini's mistresses.
    --https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margherita_Sarfatti

    I prefer that a canonized pope had had zero Jewish friends.
    We take our friends as we find them. Where I live there are very few Catholics. In the case of Pope St Pius' friendship with various Jews, this gave him the opportunity for them to learn about the Catholic Faith from a very good teacher. Jesus said, "Go out to all the world and preach the Gospel." It is to us to bring the Catholic Faith to where we find ourselves.    

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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #36 on: June 17, 2019, 01:37:45 AM »
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  • This is inaccurate. As opposed to the regal Pope Leo, it was quite easy to get an audience w the genial Pius X-- who would see just about anyone. In spite of this he initially refused to see Herzl( whose son later converted to RCatholic). The Pope only relented when Herzl persisted. Pope then had to tell him  that no help would be coming to Zionista's from Rome. :popcorn:
    That is part of how true ecumenism should be. Be congenial. Be friendly. But at key moments we have to say "no."

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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #37 on: June 17, 2019, 02:43:18 AM »
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  • That is part of how true ecumenism should be. Be congenial. Be friendly. But at key moments we have to say "no."
    So you disagree with how the VII “popes” handled ecumenism?


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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #38 on: June 17, 2019, 05:09:14 AM »
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  • This is inaccurate. As opposed to the regal Pope Leo, it was quite easy to get an audience w the genial Pius X-- who would see just about anyone. In spite of this he initially refused to see Herzl( whose son later converted to RCatholic). The Pope only relented when Herzl persisted. Pope then had to tell him  that no help would be coming to Zionista's from Rome. :popcorn:
    What's inaccurate in my post? You missed this part?

    "The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jewry."

    Hans Herzl's conversion doesn't sound very powerful. He committed suicide and requested to be buried in a Jewish cemetery, and also attended a synagogue before his death:

    https://www.jta.org/1930/09/18/archive/hans-herzl-son-of-theodor-herzl-commits-suicide-after-funeral-of-sister-paulina

    It's true that Pope Pius X was firm toward Jewry on some points, but he appears to have eschewed the view of many popes and saints that Catholics should have no relationship with them other than for the purpose of trying to convert them. If a Jew shows no sign of not wanting to destroy his inner Jew then he's dangerous company.

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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #39 on: June 17, 2019, 05:12:22 PM »
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  • Read, "The Plot Against the Church" and you will get the correct knowledge of just how the Jews truly are.  Pretenders.  The Fifth column.

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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #40 on: June 17, 2019, 08:07:02 PM »
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  • What's inaccurate in my post? You missed this part?

    "The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jewry."

    Hans Herzl's conversion doesn't sound very powerful. He committed suicide and requested to be buried in a Jewish cemetery, and also attended a synagogue before his death:

    https://www.jta.org/1930/09/18/archive/hans-herzl-son-of-theodor-herzl-commits-suicide-after-funeral-of-sister-paulina

    It's true that Pope Pius X was firm toward Jewry on some points, but he appears to have eschewed the view of many popes and saints that Catholics should have no relationship with them other than for the purpose of trying to convert them. If a Jew shows no sign of not wanting to destroy his inner Jew then he's dangerous company.
    I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I do not share your view of Pius X which appears to moi as an accusation against a canonised saint. :confused:
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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #41 on: June 17, 2019, 10:49:58 PM »
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  • What's inaccurate in my post? You missed this part?

    "The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jewry."

    Hans Herzl's conversion doesn't sound very powerful. He committed suicide and requested to be buried in a Jewish cemetery, and also attended a synagogue before his death:

    https://www.jta.org/1930/09/18/archive/hans-herzl-son-of-theodor-herzl-commits-suicide-after-funeral-of-sister-paulina

    It's true that Pope Pius X was firm toward Jewry on some points, but he appears to have eschewed the view of many popes and saints that Catholics should have no relationship with them other than for the purpose of trying to convert them. If a Jew shows no sign of not wanting to destroy his inner Jew then he's dangerous company.
    He is the supreme pontiff. He is the leader in evangelization. He does what is best in the arena of evangelization.  if you don't communicate with them then they cannot learn about Christ. They will never learn that Jesus loves them. They will never know the wonder and the beauty of the Holy Virgin.  

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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #42 on: June 18, 2019, 06:18:59 PM »
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  • Whether or not he was murdered, it was evidently God's will that the speech not be delivered.  Might we speculate that it was the "condemnation of" putative "anti-Semitism" that God did not want delivered to the world?
    The speech would have placed the Vatican on the side of the Judeo-Masonic Allies.

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    Re: Pope Pius XI murdered ?
    « Reply #43 on: June 19, 2019, 11:58:36 PM »
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  • What's inaccurate in my post? You missed this part?

    "The Herzl meeting is often used as evidence of Pope Pius X's very Catholic attitude toward Jewry."

    Hans Herzl's conversion doesn't sound very powerful. He committed suicide and requested to be buried in a Jewish cemetery, and also attended a synagogue before his death:

    https://www.jta.org/1930/09/18/archive/hans-herzl-son-of-theodor-herzl-commits-suicide-after-funeral-of-sister-paulina

    It's true that Pope Pius X was firm toward Jewry on some points, but he appears to have eschewed the view of many popes and saints that Catholics should have no relationship with them other than for the purpose of trying to convert them. If a Jew shows no sign of not wanting to destroy his inner Jew then he's dangerous company.
    Thanks for info but what evidence do you have that St Pius X is responsible for Hans being a marrano?
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