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Offline Jack in the Box

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Pope Paul VI is NOT IN HEAVEN
« on: September 01, 2012, 04:38:07 PM »
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    • A visionary, well known to the writer of this posting, once had a vision of Pope Paul VI who appeared "as on his official portrait". The former Pope was very recognizable, and his eyes were downcast. It is to be said that this "visionary" is no saint, but upon a return to the faith, followed to a return to tradition was praying a rosary during the said vision which lasted several seconds.

    The former Pope was TRANSPARENT, and HIS INSIDE WAS A BURNING FURNACE.

    This "visionary" told several of the clergy, and a few selected faithful.
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    Offline Sigismund

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    Pope Paul VI is NOT IN HEAVEN
    « Reply #1 on: September 01, 2012, 05:38:20 PM »
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    • May I suggest you stop listening to unapproved visionaries, and worry a lot more about your won salvation than a deceased pope's.
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    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Pope Paul VI is NOT IN HEAVEN
    « Reply #2 on: September 01, 2012, 05:42:53 PM »
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    • Indeed, what are we to make of such a thing without authority?
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    Offline PartyIsOver221

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    « Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 06:05:30 PM »
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    • Regardless of the OPs claims, isnt it a well known fact, in light of all the evidence gathered regarding Montini, that he, Pope Paul VI was not "Pope" at all? So why all this bother about these vision claims.

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    Pope Paul VI is NOT IN HEAVEN
    « Reply #4 on: September 01, 2012, 10:07:14 PM »
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    Regardless of the OPs claims, isnt it a well known fact, in light of all the evidence gathered regarding Montini, that he, Pope Paul VI was not "Pope" at all? So why all this bother about these vision claims.



    No, it is not well known for many reasons.  Two come to mind.  

    1.  It isn't true.

    2.  No one outside of traditionalist internet forums knows about it.  That is a tiny portion of the Catholic world.
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    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    Pope Paul VI is NOT IN HEAVEN
    « Reply #5 on: September 02, 2012, 06:44:47 AM »
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    May I suggest you stop listening to unapproved visionaries, and worry a lot more about your won salvation than a deceased pope's.

     :applause:
    Here we have an anonymous person who has an anonymous friend who is having "visions". I must say this is just oozing with credibility!  :facepalm:
    Unless your anonymous friend's visions are approved by the Church, then keep it to yourself and tell them to go and see a Priest. Those who search after signs and wonders would be better to work on strengthening their faith. This is simply a sign of weak faith. How do you know its not the devil?
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    « Reply #6 on: September 02, 2012, 08:01:59 AM »
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    •  :fryingpan:


    I just wanted an excuse to use the frying pan.
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    Pope Paul VI is NOT IN HEAVEN
    « Reply #7 on: September 03, 2012, 07:42:49 AM »
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    • What's the big deal with the OP's claims? as far as I can understand, that could simply mean he's on purgatory and thus asking for prayers, could anyone here actually disagree that the man needs TONS of prayers?
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    « Reply #8 on: September 03, 2012, 09:07:11 AM »
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    Regardless of the OPs claims, isnt it a well known fact, in light of all the evidence gathered regarding Montini, that he, Pope Paul VI was not "Pope" at all? So why all this bother about these vision claims.



    No, it is not well known for many reasons.  Two come to mind.  

    1.  It isn't true.

    2.  No one outside of traditionalist internet forums knows about it.  That is a tiny portion of the Catholic world.


    Sigismund, just so you know I didnt thumb you down, I dont have time for that since I barely go on the forum anymore (been too busy with other things in my life).

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    « Reply #9 on: September 03, 2012, 09:11:53 AM »
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    • Pope Paul VI instituted policies that were highly destructive to the Catholic Church.  Dante's "The Divine Comedy:  The Inferno" is a work of fiction but it does mention seven popes in Hell - specifically face down in the dirt, they are trying desperately to extinguish the fire on the bottom of their feet by kicking vociferously.  One of the seven is actually still on Earth alive but his soul was pulled early to get to its final destination.  Not trying to draw an analogy, but didn't Paul VI seem to be incoherent and always needing someone to prop him up in those last years?  Also not trying to make comparisons with JPII who also became a near human blob his last years.

    Maybe their souls were elsewhere?
     
    It's at least probable that Paul VI was an anti-pope, but not yet declared as such.  That's not our call at this moment nor will he be declared an anti-pope for several decades - by then, newchurch may have already canonized him but future generations will have to correct that.  

    Notwithstanding all of this, it's not our call to make on these men.  Our call is to stand fast and remain faithful Roman Catholics.

    In practice, despite all of our grave misgivings about these men, we should pray for the repose of their souls for the same reason that we should pray for those who persecute us.  Our Master told us to.

     :pray:

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    « Reply #10 on: September 03, 2012, 09:18:20 AM »
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    Pope Paul VI instituted policies that were highly destructive to the Catholic Church.  Dante's "The Divine Comedy:  The Inferno" is a work of fiction but it does mention seven popes in Hell - specifically face down in the dirt, they are trying desperately to extinguish the fire on the bottom of their feet by kicking vociferously.  One of the seven is actually still on Earth alive but his soul was pulled early to get to its final destination.  Not trying to draw an analogy, but didn't Paul VI seem to be incoherent and always needing someone to prop him up in those last years?  Also not trying to make comparisons with JPII who also became a near human blob his last years.


    I don't mean to sound like an egghead here but in Dante's Inferno the popes who were face down in the sand being burned were in Circle 7 of Hell while the demons who took over a soul's body were in Circle 9 of Hell. :wink:
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    « Reply #11 on: September 03, 2012, 05:58:06 PM »
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    What's the big deal with the OP's claims? as far as I can understand, that could simply mean he's on purgatory and thus asking for prayers, could anyone here actually disagree that the man needs TONS of prayers?


    Well if that is all he means. it is a lot less objectionable.  
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    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #12 on: September 03, 2012, 05:59:20 PM »
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    Regardless of the OPs claims, isnt it a well known fact, in light of all the evidence gathered regarding Montini, that he, Pope Paul VI was not "Pope" at all? So why all this bother about these vision claims.



    No, it is not well known for many reasons.  Two come to mind.  

    1.  It isn't true.

    2.  No one outside of traditionalist internet forums knows about it.  That is a tiny portion of the Catholic world.


    Sigismund, just so you know I didnt thumb you down, I dont have time for that since I barely go on the forum anymore (been too busy with other things in my life).



    Okay.  Thank you.  It is fine if you did if you disagree with me, as I expect you do.  
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    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #13 on: September 03, 2012, 06:02:32 PM »
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    Pope Paul VI instituted policies that were highly destructive to the Catholic Church.  Dante's "The Divine Comedy:  The Inferno" is a work of fiction but it does mention seven popes in Hell - specifically face down in the dirt, they are trying desperately to extinguish the fire on the bottom of their feet by kicking vociferously.  One of the seven is actually still on Earth alive but his soul was pulled early to get to its final destination.  Not trying to draw an analogy, but didn't Paul VI seem to be incoherent and always needing someone to prop him up in those last years?  Also not trying to make comparisons with JPII who also became a near human blob his last years.


    I don't mean to sound like an egghead here but in Dante's Inferno the popes who were face down in the sand being burned were in Circle 7 of Hell while the demons who took over a soul's body were in Circle 9 of Hell. :wink:


    My compliments for your knowledge of Dante.   :applause:

    I don't mean to suggest that it is impossible that Pope Paul VI is in hell.  I have no idea.  I am taking issue with  notion that he was not really the pope.  I know sedevacantists and some others believe he was not and I respect that.  I just don't agree.
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    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir

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    « Reply #14 on: September 04, 2012, 12:36:38 PM »
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    • jack-Box, why is it your posts are sensationalist, then go into some weird, vague pictures and visions,etc.....same with the Luminous, other posts.....

    Whether Paul VI is or is not in anywhere, who cares? Pray for the souls in Purgatory, let God work it out.....
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