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Offline poche

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Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
« Reply #75 on: May 24, 2018, 10:03:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Capt McQuigg on May 22, 2018, 10:43:14 AM
    Down's Syndrome is a birth defect, acting on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ impulses is a sin that cries out to Heaven.
    Do you understand the difference?
    When modernists and others talk about accepting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, they are talking about embracing the act of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and not the disordered impulse.
    Disordered impulses are to be struggled against all your life with prayer, fasting and, if you are in a state of grace, the Sacraments.  Disordered impulses, if shrugged off, will lead to mortal sin.
    Poche, what does mortal sin lead to?
    Having a same sex attraction is a defect. 
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #76 on: May 24, 2018, 10:42:19 PM »
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    • On a related note;

    Pope Francis warned Italian bishops this week to vet carefully applicants to the priesthood and reject anyone they suspected might be ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ, local media reported on Thursday.
    "Keep an eye on the admissions to seminaries, keep your eyes open," the pope was quoted as saying by newspaper La Stampa's Vatican Insider service. "If in doubt, better not let them enter."
    The Vatican did not immediately respond to a request for a comment on the remarks, which Vatican Insider and Il Messaggero said were made at a closed-door gathering on Monday.
    Francis's meeting with Italian bishops came just a day after a Chilean man who suffered clerical sɛҳuąƖ abuse quoted the pope as telling him in a private conversation that God had made him gαy and loved him that way.
    The Vatican declined to comment on the report which touched off fierce media speculation that Francis was softening the Church stance on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity. It has previously condemned ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity as an immoral disorder if actively practised.
    In a 2005 docuмent, released under Francis's predecessor Pope Benedict, the Vatican said the Church could admit into the priesthood those who had clearly overcome ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies for at least three years.
    But it said practicing ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs and those with "deep-seated" gαy tendencies and those who support a gαy culture should be barred.
    The reported comments to the bishops might appease conservatives who have grown alarmed at the way Francis has dramatically shifted the language the Church has used about ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity since his election in 2013.
    "If a person is gαy and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge?" the pope said on his first overseas trip in 2013. In 2016, he said he had ministered to people with unfulfilled ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ tendencies as well as ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who were not able to remain chaste, as the Church asks them to.
    "When a person arrives before Jesus, Jesus certainly will not say: 'Go away because you are ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ'," he said.
    Pope Benedict wrote in 2005 that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity was "a strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil".

    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2018-05-24/pope-tells-bishops-not-to-accept-gαy-seminarians-report
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #77 on: May 24, 2018, 10:50:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on May 24, 2018, 09:57:15 PM
    There should be no objection on a Catholic forum for someone to live a life of chastity.
    Based on your posts here you obviously think it is ok to be gαy as long as you are chaste.  It’s not ok to be gαy.  If someone is chaste and doesn’t lust after others, they are not gαy.  They are normal.  In order for a man to be gαy he has to at the very least entertain unnatural lustful thoughts towards another man or an image of a man.  That is not chaste.  By definition a gαy man is not chaste.  Matthew should ban you for promoting ideas that are not compatible with the Catholic faith.  You are a passive aggressive destroyer of the faith.  Please go away and stop your foolishness.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #78 on: May 24, 2018, 10:53:08 PM »
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    • I mean is it ok to be bestial?  Is it ok to be incestuous?  Of course not, you jackass!
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #79 on: May 24, 2018, 10:59:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: poche on May 24, 2018, 10:03:25 PM
    Having a same sex attraction is a defect.
    Attraction is not a defect.  Lustful thoughts are not a defect in the sense of something inherent in one’s dna.  Entertaining lustful thoughts is a sin. Entertaining lustful thoughts towards another man is an unnatural sin.  You are guilty of abandoning Catholic thought in favor of modernist thought.  Please go away before you drag good Catholics down to hell with you.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #80 on: May 24, 2018, 11:40:57 PM »
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    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on May 24, 2018, 10:50:13 PM
    Based on your posts here you obviously think it is ok to be gαy as long as you are chaste.  It’s not ok to be gαy.  If someone is chaste and doesn’t lust after others, they are not gαy.  They are normal.  In order for a man to be gαy he has to at the very least entertain unnatural lustful thoughts towards another man or an image of a man.  That is not chaste.  By definition a gαy man is not chaste.  Matthew should ban you for promoting ideas that are not compatible with the Catholic faith.  You are a passive aggressive destroyer of the faith.  Please go away and stop your foolishness.
    An important part of chastity is to not lust after others.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #81 on: May 25, 2018, 12:05:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on May 24, 2018, 10:50:13 PM
    Based on your posts here you obviously think it is ok to be gαy as long as you are chaste.  It’s not ok to be gαy.  If someone is chaste and doesn’t lust after others, they are not gαy.  They are normal.  In order for a man to be gαy he has to at the very least entertain unnatural lustful thoughts towards another man or an image of a man.  That is not chaste.  By definition a gαy man is not chaste.  Matthew should ban you for promoting ideas that are not compatible with the Catholic faith.  You are a passive aggressive destroyer of the faith.  Please go away and stop your foolishness.
    Would you hold this statement to be true?:  "In order for a man to be heterosɛҳuąƖ he has to, at the very least, entertain lustful (though natural) thoughts towards another woman or an image of a woman."  
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #82 on: May 25, 2018, 12:10:11 AM »
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    • Quote from: TKonkel on May 25, 2018, 12:05:06 AM
    Would you hold this statement to be true?:  "In order for a man to be heterosɛҳuąƖ he has to, at the very least, entertain lustful (though natural) thoughts towards another woman or an image of a woman."  
    HeterosɛҳuąƖ is a modernist category which I don’t accept.  Married men can partake of the marital act without sin.  Unmarried men cannot entertain lustful thoughts without sin.  
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #83 on: May 25, 2018, 12:13:55 AM »
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    If anyone says that true and natural water is not necessary for baptism and thus twists into some metaphor the words of our Lord Jesus Christ" Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Spirit" (Jn 3:5) let him be anathema.

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #84 on: May 25, 2018, 12:23:07 AM »
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    • Quote from: TKonkel on May 23, 2018, 10:12:22 AM
    St. Michael does not have a "masculine soul."  In fact, angels do not "have" souls at all.  They are pure spirits (neither male nor female) each distinct in species.  They do not have a substantial soul, they are intellectual immaterial substances.  

    I think angels are of male nature. There must be a reason why they have always taken a male form in the Bible.
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    Offline Cantarella

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #85 on: May 25, 2018, 12:29:56 AM »
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    • Quote from: Clemens Maria on May 24, 2018, 10:53:08 PM
    I mean is it ok to be bestial?  Is it ok to be incestuous?  Of course not, you jackass!

    Well said, Clemens Maria.

    I can't wrap my mind around those who think God loves sodomites... or that it is OK to be gαy "as long as you do not act upon it". What is wrong with these people? We do not need to act upon our thoughts in order to fall into mortal sin. Sin can be of thought as well. If we have filthy minds, that is a sign we are not the children of God; but of the Devil. True chastity requires us to have a clean and pure mind. It is not sufficient to just "not act upon the sinful thoughts".

    Sodomy is definitely strongly condemned in the bible and many times! The effeminate will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    Here is St. Peter Damian on the unnatural vice:


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    “In fact, this vice cannot in any way be compared to any others, because its enormity supersedes them all. Indeed, this vice causes the death of bodies and the destruction of souls. It pollutes the flesh, extinguishes the light of reason, and expels the Holy Ghost from His temple in the heart of man, introducing in His stead the Devil who is the instigator of lust.

    "It steers the soul into error, banishes all truth from the deceived soul, sets traps for those who fall into it, and then caps the well to prevent those who fall in from getting out. It opens the gates of Hell and closes the doors of Heaven to them, turns a former citizen of the heavenly Jerusalem into an heir of the infernal Babylon, transforming him from a heavenly star into a straw for the eternal fire. It wrenches a member from the Church and plunges him into the voracious flames of the fiery Gehenna.

    “This vice strives to tear down the walls of the heavenly motherland and rebuild those of the ruined Sodom. Indeed, it violates temperance, kills purity, stifles chastity, and cuts the head of virginity – which is irrecoverable – with the sword of a most infamous union. It infects everything, stains everything, pollutes everything; leaving nothing pure, nothing but filth, nothing clean. ‘All things are clean to the clean,’ as the Apostle says, ‘but to them that are defiled, and to unbelievers, nothing is clean; but both their mind and their conscience are defiled (Tit 1:15).

    “This vice expels one from the choir of the ecclesiastical host and forces one to join the ranks of the possessed and those who work in league with the Devil. It separates the soul from God and links it with the devils. This most pestiferous Sodomite queen makes those who obey her tyrannical laws repugnant to men and hateful to God, forcing them into a nefarious war against God and obliging them to enlist in the ranks of the perverse spirit.

    "It [this sin] separates him from the company of angels and deprives the soul of its nobility, imposing on the unfortunate soul the yoke of its own domination. It tears its henchmen from the arms of virtues and leaves them exposed as prey to the arrows of all the vices. It leaves one to be humiliated in the Church, condemned at court, defiled in secret, and dishonored in public. It gnaws at the person’s conscience like a worm and burns his flesh like fire …

    “The miserable flesh burns with the fire of lust, the cold intelligence trembles under the rancor of misgivings, and the unfortunate man’s heart is overwhelmed by hellish chaos, subjecting him to countless pains of conscience as he is tortured in punishment.

    "Yes, as soon as this most venomous serpent plunges its fangs into the unfortunate soul, it is immediately deprived of its senses and memory, the edge of the intelligence is dulled, he forgets God and even himself."
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #86 on: May 25, 2018, 12:38:19 AM »
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    By the same principle Francis could tell the Somali pirates that God loves them just the way they are.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #87 on: May 25, 2018, 04:36:36 AM »
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    • Romans 1:18-26 proves that ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs are not born this way and that God did not create them as such:


    “Because that, when they knew God, they have not glorified him as God, or given thanks; but became vain in their thoughts, and their foolish heart was darkened… who changed the truth of God into a lie; and worshipped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For their women have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. And, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned in their lusts one towards another, men with men working that which is filthy, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was due to their error… they who do such things, are worthy of death; and not only they that do them, but they also that consent to them that do them.” 
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #88 on: May 25, 2018, 04:48:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on May 24, 2018, 10:02:40 PM
    The person who made that comment later on publicly admitted to having lied about that comment.
    Please share link.  I don't recall any such thing.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #89 on: May 25, 2018, 08:21:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on May 25, 2018, 12:29:56 AM
    We do not need to act upon our thoughts in order to fall into mortal sin. Sin can be of thought as well. If we have filthy minds, that is a sign we are not the children of God; but of the Devil. True chastity requires us to have a clean and pure mind. It is not sufficient to just "not act upon the sinful thoughts".

    Well ...

    There must still be ACT involved for there to be sin.  Even in the case of thoughts, you must still give the assent of your WILL to them.  Several saints complained about being assaulted with all manner of filthy thoughts and temptations, but they remained children of God so long as they did not give the assent of their will.  In fact, rejecting them with one's will pleases God and brings merit.

    I'm sure it's possible for someone who has ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ inclinations or temptations to resist them and not give consent of the will to them.  There are SOME people out there who are trying to fight this disorder of their nature.  Now, Bergoglio committed grave scandal by failing to make that distinction here and implied that God loves even those ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs who live out their inclinations.  There is in fact a sense in which God still loves even these, because He still keeps them in existence and wills that they be converted and saved.
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