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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
« Reply #45 on: May 22, 2018, 10:40:45 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on May 22, 2018, 10:13:16 AM
    Yep, this is proof he knows what he is doing and his comments are much more than a case of silly spontaneity.

    Exactly.  If someone were falsely telling the world I said that hell doesn't exist, I would come out with a public denial IMMEDIATELY.
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    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #46 on: May 22, 2018, 10:43:14 AM »
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    • Quote from: poche on May 22, 2018, 01:44:45 AM
    What if the Holy Father were to say to the Downs Syndrome child, "it's ok to have downs syndrome. God still loves you." Or maybe to teh autistic child "its ok, God still loves you."
    Down's Syndrome is a birth defect, acting on ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ impulses is a sin that cries out to Heaven.
    Do you understand the difference?
    When modernists and others talk about accepting ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity, they are talking about embracing the act of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity and not the disordered impulse. 
    Disordered impulses are to be struggled against all your life with prayer, fasting and, if you are in a state of grace, the Sacraments.  Disordered impulses, if shrugged off, will lead to mortal sin.
    Poche, what does mortal sin lead to?
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    Offline Capt McQuigg

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #47 on: May 22, 2018, 11:00:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 22, 2018, 08:21:52 AM
    This has become Francis' modus operandi.  He leaks stuff that he wants to get out through third parties, but he keeps a bit of distance for the purposes of plausible deniability.  No one can prove that he actually said this.  In public, he'll have no comment and will neither confirm nor deny that he said it.  That's because he wants people to know that he said it without his enemies being able to attack him for it due to lack of proof.
    Setting aside that we are discussing actions of a pope, what kind of category of sin would this be if someone acted this way on a regular basis by spreading gossip through third parties and then not being straightforward and honest with those who trust and follow this person? 
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    Offline klasG4e

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #48 on: May 22, 2018, 11:07:59 AM »
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    • “He told me, ‘Juan Carlos, that you are gαy does not matter. God made you like this and loves you like this and I don’t care. The pope loves you like this. You have to be happy with who you are,’” Cruz told Spanish newspaper El País.

    Hmmm, I wonder what Francis may have told the reporter if asked about a conversation with -- well, let's call him Cardinal X.  Would it have gone like this?  "He told me, 'Francis, that you are a heretic does not matter.  God made you like this and loves you like this and I don't care.  Cardinal X loves you like this. You have to be happy with who you are.'"
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #49 on: May 22, 2018, 12:38:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on May 22, 2018, 07:18:56 AM
     The exorcists say ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is a form of demon possession. ( Asmodeus?)

    I agree. 

    But once the demons obtain their objective, even they themselves flee from the scene in disgust. This was revealed to St. Catherine of Siena:

    Our Lord speaking to St. Catherine of Siena
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    They [the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs] not only fail from resisting the weakness [of fallen human nature] .... but they do even worse when they commit the cursed sin against nature. Like the blind and stupid, having dimmed the light of their understanding, they do not recognize the disease and misery in which they find themselves. For this not only causes Me nausea, but is disgusting even to the devils themselves whom these depraved creatures have chosen as their lords. 

    For Me this sin against nature is so abominable that for it alone five cities were destroyed by virtue of the judgment of My Divine Justice, which could no longer bear their iniquity .... 

    It is disgusting to the devils not because evil displeases them or because they find pleasure in good, but rather because their nature is angelic and flees upon seeing such a repulsive sin being committed. For while certainly it is the devil that first strikes the sinner with the poisoned arrow of concupiscence, nonetheless when a man actually carries out such a sinful act, the devil goes away. 


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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #50 on: May 22, 2018, 01:10:55 PM »
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    • Quote from: Capt McQuigg on May 22, 2018, 11:00:55 AM
    Setting aside that we are discussing actions of a pope, what kind of category of sin would this be if someone acted this way on a regular basis by spreading gossip through third parties and then not being straightforward and honest with those who trust and follow this person?

    Well, there can be scandal given depending on the content of the gossip, and then I'm guessing that this behavior would fall squarely within the "bearing false witness" category.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #51 on: May 22, 2018, 01:40:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Capt McQuigg on May 22, 2018, 11:00:55 AM
    Setting aside that we are discussing actions of a pope, what kind of category of sin would this be if someone acted this way on a regular basis by spreading gossip through third parties and then not being straightforward and honest with those who trust and follow this person?
    The same kind of sin that one would commit if he were to knowingly and purposely instruct students under his care to swim in a raging river headed for a bottomless precipice full of lava?
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    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #52 on: May 22, 2018, 03:33:50 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cantarella on May 22, 2018, 10:10:26 AM
    I read an article in which it seems he said he does not really think before speaking. He says that people come to him with many theological questions that he does not have an answer for, so he says whatever it comes to mind.

    He literally makes it up as he goes along.

    I personally don't think this is true. I think he knows what he is doing.
    I agree. Some folks think he is stupid.  I do not.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #53 on: May 23, 2018, 08:51:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on May 22, 2018, 03:33:50 PM
    I agree. Some folks think he is stupid.  I do not.

    Well, I do think he's stupid.  He kept calling Traditionalists Pelagians when he obviously meant Jansenists.  If any are Pelagians, it's the modernists.  He's not the brightest bulb.  But in this case, these actions are most likely well planned and deliberate.
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #54 on: May 23, 2018, 08:59:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 23, 2018, 08:51:09 AM
     He's not the brightest bulb.  But in this case, these actions are most likely well planned and deliberate.
    Yes. Nothing in politics happens by chance. 
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #55 on: May 23, 2018, 10:02:12 AM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on May 21, 2018, 09:59:59 AM
    A heterosɛҳuąƖ sinful act is grave , and unrepentant, will still buy you hell, but it at least is not against the natural law.
    ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity is against the natural law and comparing the two is just part of the slippery slope.( I think we are at the bottom of the slope!)
    A heterosɛҳuąƖ sinful act is against the natural law.  
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #56 on: May 23, 2018, 10:12:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Croix de Fer on May 21, 2018, 12:03:55 PM
    Ontologically, the hermaphrodite still has either an exclusive masculine (male) or feminine (female) soul, despite the physical birth defect. The soul created by God has no ambiguity in its nature & identity. Hermaphroditism is no different than being born with no limbs or any other grotesque disfiguration, but it's no reflection of the soul of the person.

    The parents & priest of the hermaphrodite must pray, fast and give alms for the child in his formative years so the child, parents & priest may finally discern the actual sex of the person according to his soul, and proceed to corrective physical surgery. This is not the same as the mortal sin of the grotesque perversion of "transitioning".

    And don't tell me souls have no masculine (male) or feminine (female) nature. St. Michael the Archangel is named "Michael" because of his masculine (male) soul, despite not having a physical body.
    St. Michael does not have a "masculine soul."  In fact, angels do not "have" souls at all.  They are pure spirits (neither male nor female) each distinct in species.  They do not have a substantial soul, they are intellectual immaterial substances.  
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #57 on: May 23, 2018, 10:45:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: TKonkel on May 23, 2018, 10:02:12 AM
    A heterosɛҳuąƖ sinful act is against the natural law.  
    Please expound on this. Thanks
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    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #58 on: May 23, 2018, 11:00:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: josefamenendez on May 23, 2018, 10:45:02 AM
    Please expound on this. Thanks

    Against natural law is different than against nature.  Lots of immoral activities are known to be immoral through natural law.  Against nature refers to something that perverts the intended design of nature.

    So, for instance, it's against natural law for someone to steal, but it's not considered a "sin against nature".
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    Re: Pope Francis tells gαy man "God made you like this"
    « Reply #59 on: May 23, 2018, 11:13:22 AM »
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    • I think I get it- if  heterosɛҳuąƖs commit acts of sodomy it is against the natural law. Natural heterosɛҳuąƖ relations however illicit/sinful may remain in the natural law. Which I think was my point.
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