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Offline Eudes

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Pope Francis restricts TLM for Franciscans
« on: July 29, 2013, 08:02:31 AM »
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    "In addition to the above, the Holy Father Francis has directed that every religious of the congregation of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate is required to celebrate the liturgy according to the ordinary rite and that, if the occasion should arise, the use of the extraordinary form (Vetus Ordo) must be explicitly authorized by the competent authorities, for every religious and/or community that makes the request.[/u]"


    Original story here--->http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350567?eng=y


    Rorate Caeli coverage:
    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/07/important-pope-francis-severely.html
    "The most evident mark of God's anger, and the most terrible castigation He can inflict upon the world, is manifest when He permits His people to fall into the hands of a clergy who are more in name than in deed, priests who practice the cruelty of raveni


    Offline Eudes

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    Pope Francis restricts TLM for Franciscans
    « Reply #1 on: July 29, 2013, 11:07:21 AM »
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  • Traditionalists are tolerated as long as they don't become too popular, get too many vocations or attract young families to traditional Catholicism.


    Quote from: RorateCaeli

    The importance of this decree -- exquisitely dated July 11, the feast of St. Benedict in the calendar of the Novus Ordo -- is difficult to overstate. In the aftermath of Summorum Pontificuм the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate -- the largest "strict observance" movement to be established in the Franciscan family of religious Orders and congregations after the general relaxation of observance in the post Conciliar era -- became far and away the largest religious congregation to adopt the Traditional Latin Mass as their favored form of the Roman Rite, albeit without completely abandoning the Novus Ordo. The FFI soon came to occupy an important place in the "canonically regular" Traditionalist Catholic world, being involved in numerous important conferences promoting Tradition and playing an important part in organizing many Pontifical Masses especially in Rome.

    Many Traditional Latin Mass sites are open only because of the ministry of FFI priests; it remains to be seen how many of these Masses will have to be ended because of this decree[/u]. As of today we have already been informed that some of nuns under the spiritual care of the FFI are looking for priests to continue celebrating the Traditional Latin Mass for them after the August 11 ban comes into force. 


    The daily blasphemy that takes place at various NO parishes isn't a problem, these upstart Franciscans popularizing the TLM is.
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    « Reply #2 on: July 29, 2013, 11:40:27 AM »
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  • Vetus Ordo is Latin for what????????

    ??????

    Offline Eudes

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    « Reply #3 on: July 29, 2013, 11:47:21 AM »
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    Vetus Ordo is Latin for what????????

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    Old Order
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    « Reply #4 on: July 29, 2013, 11:49:17 AM »
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    Vetus Ordo is Latin for what????????

    ??????


    Vetus Ordo means "Old Order".  

    It brings to light the fact that Paul VI and his concilliarists, modernists, socialist agitators and protestants designed the new order (novus ordo) by committee.

    The concilliarists probably don't think the novus ordo is an improvement on an artistic level - who could?  Anyone with even a glancing appreciation for the music of Mozart would understand artistic beauty.  

    The change in the mass was to match the new theology and new ecclesiology of the revolutionaries.  Paul VI was the leader.  

    I actually hope Pope Francis suppresses the "Extraordinary Rite" everywhere so people can actually choose the Truth (found in the Traditionalists) versus Role Playing (Found in the Indults).


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    « Reply #5 on: July 29, 2013, 01:40:30 PM »
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    I actually hope Pope Francis suppresses the "Extraordinary Rite" everywhere so people can actually choose the Truth (found in the Traditionalists) versus Role Playing (Found in the Indults).


    Hear! Hear!

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    « Reply #6 on: July 29, 2013, 02:11:05 PM »
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    I actually hope Pope Francis suppresses the "Extraordinary Rite" everywhere so people can actually choose the Truth (found in the Traditionalists) versus Role Playing (Found in the Indults).

    I hope he squishes the indult like a bug. Then they will either come to tradition or go back to the Novus Ordo and also the SSPX would think twice about selling out to conciliar Rome.

    I think there would be a lot of laity and priest coming over to SSPX and CMRI and SSPV and independent chapels if this happened.
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    « Reply #7 on: July 29, 2013, 02:22:04 PM »
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    Vetus Ordo is Latin for what????????

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    Regarding "Pope" Francis, "homo says what"?


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    « Reply #8 on: July 29, 2013, 02:37:08 PM »
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  • I don't mean to sound all quasi, as I don't do Indult either (I have, and even seen very nice ones, but I know they're still under the thumb of conciliarists), but BXVI and SummaPon was a breath of fresh air to me because before that, we had nothing "open" that even resembled what my grandparents would remember; we had indies and sort of secret diocesan Mass (what I grew up with), and a whole generation who'd never seen a real Mass but thought they were Catholic (and that the rest of us were evil sedes). I lived it.

    And my kids came around the time of SummaPon and the Anglican ordinariate, which opened up some possibilities to us that we hadn't had before. I give BXVI credit for that much: people were finally able to, in their minds, wonder if "EF" was equal to "OF", see what they had LOST with V2, and KNOW there was an option that shouldn't be an option (a hint of the one ancient holy real Liturgy, or clowns that worship humanity).

    And maybe that one breath of fresh air, plus EWTN before it nosedived, was a gift to a generation who had quit the conciliar church (NOT because they were evil, but because they knew the conciliar crap was feel-good BS). I know people seek out trad Mass now, so I see it as a miraculous gift to that generation who would otherwise know no better.

    But indeed, it's time to pack it up and make people choose: do you want to raise your family in a bipolar go-with-the-flow conciliar parish, or find and become part of the Church Universal.

    At least it will become clear that Frank's Mess and the Catholic Liturgy have NOTHING to do with each other. My oldest son had been considering the priesthood, and I was like, "Fine ...but not in the RCC." I was lambasted for that (he's still in secondary school, btw), but Frank's made my life a LOT easier these past few months. One almost wants to applaud him for being so Frank.
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    « Reply #9 on: July 29, 2013, 02:43:56 PM »
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    I actually hope Pope Francis suppresses the "Extraordinary Rite" everywhere so people can actually choose the Truth (found in the Traditionalists) versus Role Playing (Found in the Indults).


    Hear! Hear!


    It would certainly be 'the big split...then clarity' that His Lordship Bishop Williamson prayed for and it would destroy the ritualist Modernism of Benedict XVI's so-called 'hermeneutic of continuity' (more accurately 'heremeneutic of self-delusion') and de-tooth the Conciliar walrus and carpenter which dragged all of the Indult Societies under (what the Lion of Campos makes of Licinio Rangel does not bear thinking about).

    It will also kill off the poisonous and insidious idea of the 'Ordinary' and 'Extraordinary' Form propagated by Benedict XVI (I wonder if any of the Conciliar Popes did so much to muddy the waters as he - New Theology par excellence and specious ritualism) - that the Tridentine Roman Catholic Mass and the 'messe bastarde' (no circuмflex) are 'two expressions of the same thing'! Vatican II is evil in and as of itself, a revolution, a 19789 in the Church, not merely 'misinterpreted'. The lie of the Good Council Fathers needs to be squashed post haste. Something like this will do it and show Modernism with all disguise cast off.

     I hope it does happen as then we should have to choose sides and the distinction between Modernism and the Faith, Modernist Rome and the Faith.  Modernism is as rampant now as it was in 1975. Things have been allowed to become exceedingly muddy so I think the suppression of the Indult would draw the battle lines in sharp relief.
    Old-fashioned is good, modern is suicidal.
    - Bishop Richard N. Williamson.

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    « Reply #10 on: July 29, 2013, 07:08:00 PM »
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    "In addition to the above, the Holy Father Francis has directed that every religious of the congregation of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate is required to celebrate the liturgy according to the ordinary rite and that, if the occasion should arise, the use of the extraordinary form (Vetus Ordo) must be explicitly authorized by the competent authorities, for every religious and/or community that makes the request.[/u]"


    Original story here--->http://chiesa.espresso.repubblica.it/articolo/1350567?eng=y


    Rorate Caeli coverage:
    http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/07/important-pope-francis-severely.html


    Well, he is the pope.  He can overturn the purley disciplinary acts of a predecessor.  But this is profoundly stupid.  
    Stir up within Thy Church, we beseech Thee, O Lord, the Spirit with which blessed Josaphat, Thy Martyr and Bishop, was filled, when he laid down his life for his sheep: so that, through his intercession, we too may be moved and strengthen by the same Spir


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    « Reply #11 on: July 29, 2013, 07:45:03 PM »
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  • Lets be clear: The latin mass has never been abrogated... until now!

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    « Reply #12 on: July 29, 2013, 10:53:16 PM »
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  • ( A nice sunny day in Rome, Francis is sitting down with his advisors )

    Cardinal fαɢɢօte : " Holy Father what problem would you like to attack first? We have close to 60-70% of our priest living a Homo -Lifestyle...
    Francis Interrupts : "gαys are some of the most wonderful people ! We need to up that percentage to  90%...After all as long as their chaste lol...what else you got?

      Bishop Bullshitski : The problem of naked heresy at every level..
    Francis ( Getting annoyed): Come come, don't even start with that dogma nonsense , this is the 21st century after all!!! People have a right to their opinions !!

    Father Effeminateti: Yes Holy Father. we do get complaints about Annulments, and Ugly Architecture, Public Catholic Officials supporting Abortion, The loss of Faith in once Catholic areas, Request For the Traditional Mass , the
    Francis (Jumping to his feet, face turning red, sweat dripping down his chin, Eyes bulging, starts pounding the the table, knocks fαɢɢօte to the floor) THAT F&^%$#$%& PIECE OF &*^%$)(*^ OF A MASS MUST BE STOPPED AT ALL COSTS, WE MUST ACT NOW!!!



    I am like ten steps closer to becoming a Sede, This is truly a disaster. We must really have ticked Our Lord off , for him to give us "leaders" like this.  

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    « Reply #13 on: July 29, 2013, 11:15:28 PM »
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  • In The Church of God, He gives the means to salvation and doesn't take back. Only in the Church of Man does one man give, and the next one take it away.

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    « Reply #14 on: July 30, 2013, 12:06:04 AM »
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  • Well, what else are we to expect from Pope Francis? (rhetorical question)
    "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis; sed nomini tuo da gloriam..." (Ps. 113:9)