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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: Stella on March 18, 2013, 03:47:24 AM
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I have no interest in watching the whole thing, but another blog brought this to my attention. The Consecration is at 51:47.
Pope Francis Mass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sdWZWDqhCdA)
This is the last Mass of Pope Benedict. He does genuflect, at 1:19.
Pope Benedict's last Mass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rviYNeMNJLI&feature=player_embedded)
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At 3:35-37 there is a close look at the Pope's new crosier - it's not a crucifix,
but a cross. This would seem to break with tradition, as the crosier of Paul VI,
JPI, JPII and BXVI were all crucifixes, even if rather deformed and ugly, still
they were somewhat crucifixes (no INRI). This one is much more traditional
in its appearance, and not ugly (flat and straight crossbeam, with rather
eastern-looking ornaments at the top, bottom, left and right plus one big
ornament in the middle), but there is no corpus, and there is no INRI sign on
the top, so it is not a crucifix. It appears to be highly reflective (or polished)
gold plated brass.
I'd like to know is a pope has ever in the past had a crosier that was not a
crucifix. I had thought it was unheard of, and that the sagging-arms and
splayed-knees crucifix of Paul VI, JPI and JPII was an obvious departure due
to its ugliness, but nonetheless a crucifix of sorts, without the INRI on top.
(Actually the INRI has been a required component to have on all crucifixes
but I don't know what docuŠ¼ent where that is stated.)
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The proliferation of amateurism all over this, because it is a false imitation of
the Mass, and everyone is fraternally and equally amateurish. The camera
operators and the audio people do a good job, but everything else is up in the
air. It's going to take an act of God to wipe this abomination off the face of
the earth.
" Published on Mar 14, 2013
Watch the first Mass attended by Pope Francis in the Sistine Chapel
since he became Pontiff "
Newmass "attended" by the Pope: curious choice of words. Is his papacy
going to be "attended" by the cardinals?
His voice is very weak and seems feeble. The confiteor (as it were) at minute
10:40 starts with great hesitation, as if the celebrant is lost. His assistant
has to point to the page as if to show him were to read several times. Most of
the words are mumbled and inaudible, even with a live mic right by his mouth.
One may get the impression he does not want to say the words of the confiteor.
He does say "...mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa" clearly, so that's
good.
At 12:33 and 48:32 Roger Cardinal Mahony is shown front row center. He has
the first place of honor in the congregation: front pew, center aisle, Gospel side
(traditionally speaking). At 15:45 during the Gloria at the words "...Tu solus
Altisimus, Jesu Christe..." (Thou only, O Jesus Christ art most high), most of
the cardinals present bow to the Holy Name of Jesus, but Mahony is not among
them. He wavers slightly but it is definitely not a bow, because he wavers all the
time like that, at random. A friend told me that his presence at the conclave and
subsequent events (like this Newmass) give scandal to the entire Church, at the
highest level. He should be banned, for his malfeasance and corruption and
impudence against all justice. His mere presence brings a CURSE on
the Roman Catholic Church.
The Mass prayers are generally in Latin, but it seems there are parts with
some Italian in some places. All Scripture readings and the "prayer of the
faithful" are in Italian.
An unqualified child with inadequate training weakly sings the "responsorial
Psalm" at 19:15. In general the music is unimpressive and anemic. But this
has been the case in the Vatican for decades. It was not like that before
Vatican II. The typical technical oddity of NovusOrdo churches where a great
distance separates the organ from the cantor is here, such that the lag time
inherent in the building makes for a sluggish sound to the music. There are
other problems too with the music and the singing. The problem is, this is an
art that takes dedicated practice to render it well, and after Vatican II all that
art and tradition was wholesale thrown away, in favor of making
accommodation with the world. It can be restored, but it will take a lot of
dedicated effort by a lot of talented musicians, and they will need the support
of their pastors - something that has been missing since Vatican II, when the
pastors KICKED OUT all the traditional artists, literally, anyone who was
RESISTANT to the interminable CHANGES.
At 29:20 and 30:20 much better views of the Pope's new crosier are seen.
The figures in the 4 extremities are the lion, ox, angel and eagle, for the 4
Gospel authors, and the figure in the middle is the lamb standing, with a long
cross held under the front leg and over the shoulder.
At 50:30 at the end of the Sanctus, everyone remains standing, until 51:05,
when the servers in front and behind the altar kneel just before the words
of the consecration itself. Then all the cardinals in the room, standing
around the altar, and standing in the nave (in front of portable chairs) hold
out their right hand and join in the recitation of the words with the Pope.
Therefore this is "concelebrated" with over 100 present.
At 1:02:50 and at 1:07:00 the cardinals are shown coming forward in two
rows, to take a host from a ciborium and dip it in the chalice of (consecrated)
wine for their communion. I am reminded of St. Matthew xxvi. 23.
1:03:50 shows congregation members kneeling at a prie-dieu to receive on
the tongue, one by one.
1:04:03 shows a man kneeling there, and he holds out his hand to receive
the host in his hands instead of on the tongue, and the "eucharistic minister"
(a priest, apparently) strangely obliges him by placing the host in his hands.
There are a lot of 'styles' noticed: some people bow before kneeling at
the prie-dieu, a few genuflect on the way up, some appear unsure what to
do, some put out a hand hesitatingly and then receive on the tongue as if
they are surprised not to get it in their hand.
The disorientation is noteworthy.
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At 3:35-37 there is a close look at the Pope's new crosier - it's not a crucifix,
but a cross. This would seem to break with tradition, as the crosier of Paul VI,
JPI, JPII and BXVI were all crucifixes, even if rather deformed and ugly, still
they were somewhat crucifixes (no INRI). This one is much more traditional
in its appearance, and not ugly (flat and straight crossbeam, with rather
eastern-looking ornaments at the top, bottom, left and right plus one big
ornament in the middle), but there is no corpus, and there is no INRI sign on
the top, so it is not a crucifix. It appears to be highly reflective (or polished)
gold plated brass.
I'd like to know is a pope has ever in the past had a crosier that was not a
crucifix. I had thought it was unheard of, and that the sagging-arms and
splayed-knees crucifix of Paul VI, JPI and JPII was an obvious departure due
to its ugliness, but nonetheless a crucifix of sorts, without the INRI on top.
(Actually the INRI has been a required component to have on all crucifixes
but I don't know what docuŠ¼ent where that is stated.)
In the past, Popes did not use the crosier. Only on solemn occasions the ferula was used, which never had a corpus, as far as I know.
Beginning with Paul VI., the pastoral staff become part of Papal ceremonies, used like the episcopal crosier.
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At 50:30 at the end of the Sanctus, everyone remains standing, until 51:05,
when the servers in front and behind the altar kneel just before the words
of the consecration itself.
The SSPX St. Mary's introduced this "standing during the Sanctus" (French practice before VII?) practice, and now many larger chapels are doing it, standing during the Sanctus.
If the priest waits for the completion of the sung Sanctus as he should , then there is plenty of time to kneel before the consecration. However, if the priest does not wait, I've seen the consecration occur while the congregation is still standing.
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It's Lent...why are singing the Gloria?
Why do the pope and cardinals all kiss the table at the beginning and end? Did they embed Saint relics in the ply-wood?