Author Topic: Pope Francis called right-wing Christian fundamentalism a sickness. (Read 4917 times)

Ursus · « **on:** October 21, 2013, 09:06:36 PM »

So the pope thinks we're all sick? Great.

:sad:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/21/pope-francis-right-wing-christians/

Petertherock · « **Reply #1 on:** October 21, 2013, 10:17:24 PM »

Yeah...and the Pope says we shouldn't say prayers like the Rosary's and other traditional prayers of the Church because we should lock ourselves in a closet and pray like that.

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1304371.htm

Heartfelt prayer keeps faith from becoming ideology, pope says at Mass

(CNS/Paul Haring)

By Cindy Wooden
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- When Christianity becomes an ideology rather than a faith based on a relationship with God, its followers become proud and rigid, Pope Francis said.

When Christianity becomes an ideology, "Jesus isn't there, nor is his tenderness, love and meekness. And ideologies are always rigid, always," the pope said Oct. 17 in a homily at his early morning Mass in the Domus Sanctae Marthae, where he lives.

According to a Vatican Radio report on the homily, Pope Francis said that ideological Christians are "rigid, moralists, ethicists, but without goodness."

"When a Christian becomes a disciple of an ideology, he has lost his faith; he is no longer a disciple of Jesus, but of this way of thinking," the pope said.

Pope Francis was commenting on the day's Gospel reading from Luke (11:47-54) in which Jesus admonishes the scribes and Pharisees for trying to control the faith rather than live it and share it with others.

The Gospel reading included the line: "Woe to you, scholars of the law! You have taken away the key of knowledge. You yourselves did not enter and you stopped those trying to enter."

Pope Francis said when Christianity is an ideology rather than a faith built on a living relationship with the Lord, "knowledge of Jesus is transformed into an ideological and moralistic knowledge."

The ideologues close the door to faith with all their rules, he said.

"The key that opens the door of faith is prayer," he said. "I am talking about praying, not saying prayers," because the Pharisees recited many prayers in public simply to be seen. Jesus warned his disciples not to follow their example because prayer should be a "heart-to-heart" meeting with the Lord.

Pope Francis said the "poor" Pharisees were "people sullied by pride. Let's ask the Lord for the grace first of all to never stop praying in order not to lose faith, but also to remain humble."

END

I guess Francis is too humble to say the Rosary.

Petertherock · « **Reply #2 on:** October 21, 2013, 10:19:45 PM »

Quote from: Ursus

So the pope thinks we're all sick? Great.

:sad:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/10/21/pope-francis-right-wing-christians/

The comments on this story make me sick. People want to return to the Church because they think the Church now allows abortion, ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ marriage and all kinds of immorality. May this pontificate end soon!

Luker · « **Reply #3 on:** October 21, 2013, 10:44:55 PM »

What if your 'Christian ideology' is working and praying for the restoration of the social reign of our Lord Jesus Christ? Is this too a "rigid ideology"?

Instaurare Omnia in Christo

Luke

OHCA · « **Reply #4 on:** October 21, 2013, 11:13:13 PM »

Quote from: Petertherock

. . .
"The key that opens the door of faith is prayer," he said. "I am talking about praying, not saying prayers," because the Pharisees recited many prayers in public simply to be seen. Jesus warned his disciples not to follow their example because prayer should be a "heart-to-heart" meeting with the Lord.

Pope Francis said the "poor" Pharisees were "people sullied by pride. Let's ask the Lord for the grace first of all to never stop praying in order not to lose faith, but also to remain humble."

END

I guess Francis is too humble to say the Rosary.

I have heard as much from the mouths of heretics about Catholic prayer many times--it never fails to enrage me coming from them nor from this clown. This imposter is about as Catholic as Obama is American. To hear protestant assaults against Catholic prayer from the Vicar of Christ? I really think this "papacy" is going to be where the faithful is by and large going to come to grips with saying what Archbishop Lefebvre told us we may one day have to say.

All of his public & celebrated humbleness is what seems like the Pharisees to me. Unless he miraculously repents and converts for what he is doing to the Church and the direct damning effect he has on souls virtually every time he opens his mouth, he seems to be trajectored to the pits of hell to eternally roast alongside the likes of martin luther and others who have so wounded Christ's Church. Undoubtedly he will then learn the horse-xxxx value of his relativistic morality and that indeed there is a CATHOLIC GOD, and wish that somebody had tried to proselytize his ass while his proud words that proselytizing is nonsense eternally ring in one ear and Matthew 28:19 in the other.

Ambrose · « **Reply #5 on:** October 21, 2013, 11:45:42 PM »

Here is the video footage:

Ursus · « **Reply #6 on:** October 21, 2013, 11:55:40 PM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Here is the video footage:

"People don't pray but memorize written prayers."

Soo, what's the twisted meaning to this? I'm sure the NO Catholics will eat it up and ignore the rosary and the Lord's Prayer.

resistanceman · « **Reply #7 on:** October 22, 2013, 12:27:07 AM »

What "pope" frank is saying. is that it would be better if we all became prots or hindoos or anything other than a Catholic to achieve salvation. Then, all one would need to do was follow his/her conscience, be true to it, then one can kill, rape, pillage as long as our conscience holds that to be OK. "Do what thou wilt" is the whole of the Law.

These Traditional Catholics with their prayers of memory like the Our father and the Hail Mary are never gonna commune with God, God is listening to the person who sits alone and talks with Him personally, in real modern language, but above all obey your conscience.

Apostasise, if your conscience tells you so, don't fall for that old fashioned traditional stuff, Man has moved on. Evolved.

God Save us. We are in dark. dark, times.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #8 on:** October 22, 2013, 01:01:15 AM »

Quote from: resistanceman

What "pope" frank is saying. is that it would be better if we all became prots or hindoos or anything other than a Catholic to achieve salvation. Then, all one would need to do was follow his/her conscience, be true to it, then one can kill, rape, pillage as long as our conscience holds that to be OK. "Do what thou wilt" is the whole of the Law.

These Traditional Catholics with their prayers of memory like the Our father and the Hail Mary are never gonna commune with God, God is listening to the person who sits alone and talks with Him personally, in real modern language, but above all obey your conscience.

Apostasise, if your conscience tells you so, don't fall for that old fashioned traditional stuff, Man has moved on. Evolved.

God Save us. We are in dark. dark, times.

You got that right, buddy!

The world is moving on. There is no pope. The structure of the Church doesn't exist. There will soon be no "sacraments." Give up. You lose.

Ambrose · « **Reply #9 on:** October 22, 2013, 01:03:06 AM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch

Quote from: resistanceman
What "pope" frank is saying. is that it would be better if we all became prots or hindoos or anything other than a Catholic to achieve salvation. Then, all one would need to do was follow his/her conscience, be true to it, then one can kill, rape, pillage as long as our conscience holds that to be OK. "Do what thou wilt" is the whole of the Law.

These Traditional Catholics with their prayers of memory like the Our father and the Hail Mary are never gonna commune with God, God is listening to the person who sits alone and talks with Him personally, in real modern language, but above all obey your conscience.

Apostasise, if your conscience tells you so, don't fall for that old fashioned traditional stuff, Man has moved on. Evolved.

God Save us. We are in dark. dark, times.

You got that right, buddy!

The world is moving on. There is no pope. The structure of the Church doesn't exist. There will soon be no "sacraments." Give up. You lose.

If your joking your not funny. You are advocating apostasy. Never treat holy things lightly.

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #10 on:** October 22, 2013, 01:12:57 AM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Quote from: resistanceman
What "pope" frank is saying. is that it would be better if we all became prots or hindoos or anything other than a Catholic to achieve salvation. Then, all one would need to do was follow his/her conscience, be true to it, then one can kill, rape, pillage as long as our conscience holds that to be OK. "Do what thou wilt" is the whole of the Law.

These Traditional Catholics with their prayers of memory like the Our father and the Hail Mary are never gonna commune with God, God is listening to the person who sits alone and talks with Him personally, in real modern language, but above all obey your conscience.

Apostasise, if your conscience tells you so, don't fall for that old fashioned traditional stuff, Man has moved on. Evolved.

God Save us. We are in dark. dark, times.

You got that right, buddy!

The world is moving on. There is no pope. The structure of the Church doesn't exist. There will soon be no "sacraments." Give up. You lose.

If your joking your not funny. You are advocating apostasy. Never treat holy things lightly.

Joking? Hell no! "pope" Frank is not a pope. There hasn't been a pope since the hippy days. REAL Catholics know there is no pope. And certainly not too many legitimate bishops or actual living priests who are valid.

No. It's over. Christ's Church is dead. "Pope Frank's" black shoe is on your neck. Give up. Your "church" failed.

I don't even know what in the world you'd want to evangelize people in to. A dead structure? Move on.

Ambrose · « **Reply #11 on:** October 22, 2013, 01:22:41 AM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch

Quote from: Ambrose
Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Quote from: resistanceman
What "pope" frank is saying. is that it would be better if we all became prots or hindoos or anything other than a Catholic to achieve salvation. Then, all one would need to do was follow his/her conscience, be true to it, then one can kill, rape, pillage as long as our conscience holds that to be OK. "Do what thou wilt" is the whole of the Law.

These Traditional Catholics with their prayers of memory like the Our father and the Hail Mary are never gonna commune with God, God is listening to the person who sits alone and talks with Him personally, in real modern language, but above all obey your conscience.

Apostasise, if your conscience tells you so, don't fall for that old fashioned traditional stuff, Man has moved on. Evolved.

God Save us. We are in dark. dark, times.

You got that right, buddy!

The world is moving on. There is no pope. The structure of the Church doesn't exist. There will soon be no "sacraments." Give up. You lose.

If your joking your not funny. You are advocating apostasy. Never treat holy things lightly.

Joking? Hell no! "pope" Frank is not a pope. There hasn't been a pope since the hippy days. REAL Catholics know there is no pope. And certainly not too many legitimate bishops or actual living priests who are valid.

No. It's over. Christ's Church is dead. "Pope Frank's" black shoe is on your neck. Give up. Your "church" failed.

I don't even know what in the world you'd want to evangelize people in to. A dead structure? Move on.

You speak as Satan!

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #12 on:** October 22, 2013, 01:32:15 AM »

Quote from: Ambrose

You speak as Satan!

Oh, forgive me, Ambrose. There is no pope, but there is still a Church. Somewhere. It's just invisible.

But if the average man just reads enough books and hopscotches across the internet in the right direction, he will find his way to your kind lips.

As for the below-educated person, all they have to do is become literate, then read enough books, then hopscotch across the internet, then hear the wisdom of the school of sedevacantism. Only then can such a person be saved.

As for all other Catholics*, they just go to hell.

*Excuse me. I mean to say, so-called Catholics. But you and me, Ambrose, we both know they're really worshiping a whore. Eh, pal? Yup!

Ambrose · « **Reply #13 on:** October 22, 2013, 01:44:49 AM »

Quote from: LaramieHirsch

Quote from: Ambrose

You speak as Satan!

Oh, forgive me, Ambrose. There is no pope, but there is still a Church. Somewhere. It's just invisible.

But if the average man just reads enough books and hopscotches across the internet in the right direction, he will find his way to your kind lips.

As for the below-educated person, all they have to do is become literate, then read enough books, then hopscotch across the internet, then hear the wisdom of the school of sedevacantism. Only then can such a person be saved.

As for all other Catholics*, they just go to hell.

*Excuse me. I mean to say, so-called Catholics. But you and me, Ambrose, we both know they're really worshiping a whore. Eh, pal? Yup!

You keep beating a straw man. When did I say that Catholics who have kept the Faith but remain in communion with the antipope will go to Hell?

LaramieHirsch · « **Reply #14 on:** October 22, 2013, 01:50:30 AM »

Quote from: Ambrose

Quote from: LaramieHirsch
Quote from: Ambrose

You speak as Satan!

Oh, forgive me, Ambrose. There is no pope, but there is still a Church. Somewhere. It's just invisible.

But if the average man just reads enough books and hopscotches across the internet in the right direction, he will find his way to your kind lips.

As for the below-educated person, all they have to do is become literate, then read enough books, then hopscotch across the internet, then hear the wisdom of the school of sedevacantism. Only then can such a person be saved.

As for all other Catholics*, they just go to hell.

*Excuse me. I mean to say, so-called Catholics. But you and me, Ambrose, we both know they're really worshiping a whore. Eh, pal? Yup!

You keep beating a straw man. When did I say that Catholics who have kept the Faith but remain in communion with the antipope will go to Hell?

Whoops! This thread is not in the Crisis subforum! Just keep beating the dead horse here:

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=27878&f=9&min=15&num=5