Author Topic: Pope Doesnt like to Kiss the Cross (Read 3282 times)

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2013, 12:44:22 PM »

The title of this preposterous thread is ridiculous and recklessly insulting.

Despite technical theological controversies, Pope Benedict is aged, frail and having mobility issues, as the video indicates.

Guga has either never carefully observed the aged, especially when they are trying to deal with balance, or is himself in dire need of an optometrist.

Guga · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2013, 01:44:39 PM »

Sorry, it does not look he is incapable to give the kiss. Not at all.

Pope Masonic Handshake:

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2013, 02:04:34 PM »

Guga, I am quite sure the Pope is NOT a Mason. To imply otherwise is a very reckless allegation.

The differences between the "Modernist"-laced ideas of the man in office and his Traditionalist interlocutors, specific to interpretations stemming from Vatican II, are not served by thoughtless, needless claims void of any substantial evidence.

Pope Benedict is reportedly blind in one eye and has lost a great amount of weight over the past six months. I would ask you to consider some regard for a very old, frail man in this matter.

Doctrinal issues are one thing. Idle, false speculations quite another.

Guga · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2013, 02:21:37 PM »

Did you noticed the video is since 2009?
I,m no saying he is a mason. But that he likes to make us to think about it-- wow yes -- he likes.

http://www.chiesaviva.com/mitra%20satanica%20ing.pdf
http://www.chiesaviva.com/altra%20mitra%20satanica%20it.pdf
http://www.chiesaviva.com/pallio%20satanico.pdf
http://www.chiesaviva.com/457%20mensile.pdf
http://issuu.com/vercellireis/docs/ch._viva_452_s_ok_sp/9


Guga · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2013, 02:30:19 PM »

"Let us be content here that the text serves as a
countersyllabus and, as such, represents, on the
part of the Church, an attempt at reconciliation
with the new era inaugurated in 1789."

(Ratzinger, page 382, Principles of Catholic
Theology)

Wow -- let's be happy with the reconciliation of the "Catholic Doctrine" with masonic French Revolution.

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2013, 03:28:47 PM »

I own a copy. It's in my library. But it does not make him a Mason, which I am pleased to see you finally admit.

My entire point with you was that the written record speaks for itself. It does not need egregious embellishments based on politicized speculation. That's all.

Pelly · « **Reply #7 on:** February 18, 2013, 03:29:49 PM »

Ratzinger was a suspect of heresy before VII.

Sede Catholic · « **Reply #8 on:** February 18, 2013, 03:33:58 PM »

:applause:

Well done, Pelly.
God Bless you, Pelly.

Anthony Benedict · « **Reply #9 on:** February 18, 2013, 03:56:45 PM »

Know that, too, gentlemen. Wrote about it more than once.

The issue I raised with Guga was very NARROW regarding one specific allegation he was trying to make and did not deal with the pope's unfortunate literary record, with which each of you and I are familiar and upon much of which it would be entirely likely we agree.

Does that make the matter plainer for you?

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #10 on:** February 18, 2013, 04:03:32 PM »

Quote from: Anthony Benedict

Know that, too, gentlemen. Wrote about it more than once.

The issue I raised with Guga was very NARROW regarding one specific allegation he was trying to make and did not deal with the pope's unfortunate literary record, with which each of you and I are familiar and upon much of which it would be entirely likely we agree.

Does that make the matter plainer for you?

Does anyone have any footage of Benedict XVI even when younger where he is kissing the cross?

Dellery · « **Reply #11 on:** February 18, 2013, 04:34:36 PM »

Apparently some here were sleeping through some of their catechism lessons...

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Originally written in French in 1870, Fr. Belet wages war against one of the worst sins of his (and our) time - backbiting - better known to us as detraction (telling the faults of others without cause). Most of us do not realize how evil this sin is. In fact, many of us don't think it's a sin at all. After ruining someone's reputation, or satisfying our anger (and yes, hatred) by spewing out every bad thing we can say about someone, we justify ourselves by saying, "Well, it's true!" We even think we are acting justly by giving someone what they deserve... little do we see things from God's point of view, to whom these are vile sins - a form of hatred of neighbor - a failure to do the two things necessary - to love God and our neighbor (Mt. 22:37-40).

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #12 on:** February 18, 2013, 04:50:00 PM »

Quote from: Dellery

Apparently some here were sleeping through some of their catechism lessons...

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Originally written in French in 1870, Fr. Belet wages war against one of the worst sins of his (and our) time - backbiting - better known to us as detraction (telling the faults of others without cause). Most of us do not realize how evil this sin is. In fact, many of us don't think it's a sin at all. After ruining someone's reputation, or satisfying our anger (and yes, hatred) by spewing out every bad thing we can say about someone, we justify ourselves by saying, "Well, it's true!" We even think we are acting justly by giving someone what they deserve... little do we see things from God's point of view, to whom these are vile sins - a form of hatred of neighbor - a failure to do the two things necessary - to love God and our neighbor (Mt. 22:37-40).

We're really just asking the question. And it's perfectly valid. We are also discussing public events. Everyone here can read and Benedict XVI has left a trail of "writing" behind him.

OHCA · « **Reply #13 on:** February 18, 2013, 05:49:32 PM »

I believe the Pope's motu TLM is a ruse and that he is trying to dupe the SSPX to the detriment of tradition. You are not going to see me taking up for him much these days. But saying he "doesn't like to kiss the cross" based on the YouTube videos in the op is sensationalizing poor grade propaganda.

Some of the scenes look like he is stretching way up in which event he could easily topple over with a misstep; the base at the bottom of the cross is wide enough to cause someone who is aged and frail problems; the scene where he is kneeling doesn't show the base nor fully the angle for his "attempted" kiss. Very consistent with simply being due to his age and frailty.

MyrnaM · « **Reply #14 on:** February 18, 2013, 06:02:53 PM »

I got the feeling as i watched the second video, as he gazed with his eyes, upward and looked at the crucifix, he looked ashamed; and for good reason.

A true pope kissing the cross of Christ would be an example for all, and they should have made certain that he could have done it, if he wanted too. I wonder why they didn't, this makes it so obvious for anyone who is looking for a reason to doubt him.

I do believe that "they" just don't care any more what any one thinks, they have possession of all the treasures of our Church so in their mind they have won.