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Offline Tiffany

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Poor illegitimate children deserve murder
« on: August 16, 2013, 07:04:33 AM »
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    Her older son Shaun Glassey was killed with a steak knife in March 2008 during an attack involving several other teens on a street corner in Gloucester County, N.J., according to news reports.
    Glassey “and some other boys were going to ambush a kid,” Bernie Weisenfeld, a spokesman for the Gloucester County prosecutor’s office, told the Associated Press.
    But the target was able to wrestle the weapon out of Glassey’s hand and he “ended up on the wrong end of the knife,” Weisenfeld said.


    Baby Antonio’s father, Louis Santiago, lives diagonally across Union Street from West in another apartment house.

    “I’ve lost my boy,’’ Santiago said Friday morning. “They could have just let him live.”


    Then the adult daughter of this mother suspects her of some type of involvement to collect insurance money.

    http://thenewstalkers.com/profiles/blogs/did-georgia-mother-sherry-west-shoot-baby-in-the-face-for


    And finally this.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57594017-504083/antonio-santiago-update-gunshot-residue-found-on-slain-ga-babys-parents-report-says/



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    So, a terribly sad case, but had this woman had morals and not a string of failed relationships and bastard children with lunatics then she wouldn't be living in that part of town.

    It's not a case of a married woman who SIMPLY happens to be poor having her baby shot.  There's sometimes a self destructive tendency with "white trash" to get themselves into these sticky, violent situations which people with basic moral values nearly always avoid.


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    Poor illegitimate children deserve murder
    « Reply #1 on: August 16, 2013, 07:07:53 AM »
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  • How do you conclude from that post that I think she "deserves it"?


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    Poor illegitimate children deserve murder
    « Reply #2 on: August 16, 2013, 07:14:58 AM »
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    How do you conclude from that post that I think she "deserves it"?


    I was actually going to ask Tiffany the same thing.

    I remember about 10 years ago a news story about a bad marriage where the distraught and abused wife lost an arm and a leg while clinging to his van as he was driving away while she was pleading for him not to leave - the van got too close to a telephone pole and yep, she got nailed good.

    Last I heard they were still married.

    Moral of that story is that some people do bring on their own misery just by not fleeing the bad environment - not sure how that applies to this thread but that's what it reminded me of.
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    Poor illegitimate children deserve murder
    « Reply #3 on: August 16, 2013, 07:16:33 AM »
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    How do you conclude from that post that I think she "deserves it"?



    So, a terribly sad case, but had this woman had morals and not a string of failed relationships and bastard children with lunatics then she wouldn't be living in that part of town.

    It's not a case of a married woman who SIMPLY happens to be poor having her baby shot.  There's sometimes a self destructive tendency with "white trash" to get themselves into these sticky, violent situations which people with basic moral values nearly always avoid.

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    « Reply #4 on: August 16, 2013, 07:31:00 AM »
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    How do you conclude from that post that I think she "deserves it"?


    I was actually going to ask Tiffany the same thing.

    I remember about 10 years ago a news story about a bad marriage where the distraught and abused wife lost an arm and a leg while clinging to his van as he was driving away while she was pleading for him not to leave - the van got too close to a telephone pole and yep, she got nailed good.

    Last I heard they were still married.

    Moral of that story is that some people do bring on their own misery just by not fleeing the bad environment - not sure how that applies to this thread but that's what it reminded me of.


    Stubborn I'm sure if you gave her $5,000 to move and a  house in the suburbs and paid the property tax each year, the NJ mother would have moved.

    Now you are criticizing a woman who stayed married? Seriously is this the feminist coffee hour? There is no dissolution of marriage even with civil divorce. If they had no children or the children were grown, even if they lived separately, a  civil divorce may not have been necessary.


    The poor do not deserve crime because they are poor or they live in a bad area.


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    « Reply #5 on: August 16, 2013, 07:49:43 AM »
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  • No, I'm not criticizing her for staying married - but why hang on to the van after being beaten pleading him not to leave - and losing limbs over him?

    Under those circuмstances, I am guessing that she would have been justified in separation - even if only very temporary.

    All I am getting at is that there are people out there who make a bad situation worse of their own free will - if it does not relate to this thread - sorry.
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    « Reply #6 on: August 16, 2013, 08:04:24 AM »
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    No, I'm not criticizing her for staying married - but why hang on to the van after being beaten pleading him not to leave - and losing limbs over him?

    Under those circuмstances, I am guessing that she would have been justified in separation - even if only very temporary.

    All I am getting at is that there are people out there who make a bad situation worse of their own free will - if it does not relate to this thread - sorry.


    I agree with the van statement, unless her child was in the car, only a crazy person would do  that.

    For the beaten=automatically wanting to separate, I don't agree either. Maybe the woman wants to be with him but be treated like a human.

    If she was beaten might be up for debate!  These domestic violence groups count just about anything as violence. It also does happen that people bear false witness too. Maybe she was crazy, and he was getting out or he had defended himself against her. We don't know, just saying  anything with domestic violence you have to take a second glance at. The van thing  puts a big red flag there.

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    « Reply #7 on: August 16, 2013, 09:53:36 PM »
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    How do you conclude from that post that I think she "deserves it"?



    So, a terribly sad case, but had this woman had morals and not a string of failed relationships and bastard children with lunatics then she wouldn't be living in that part of town.

    It's not a case of a married woman who SIMPLY happens to be poor having her baby shot.  There's sometimes a self destructive tendency with "white trash" to get themselves into these sticky, violent situations which people with basic moral values nearly always avoid.


    It is a huge leap from that to suggesting that ggreg thinks the child deserved death.  
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    « Reply #8 on: August 17, 2013, 12:31:41 AM »
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  • How far is calling human beings "trash" from calling a newly conceived human being "a clump of cells" or a tumour to be removed.

    He ought to use more dignified and respectful language when he refers to those who are made in God's image and likeness. He regularly uses gutter language.
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    « Reply #9 on: August 17, 2013, 01:00:09 AM »
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  • "Shacking up" would indeed be your definition of "white trash."

    That being said even if it is an illigetimate child I would want the mother to give birth to the child than have an abortion. Hell I myself was an illigetimate child, so Lord knows I wouldn't experience life if abortion was "offered" to my mother.

    A lot of these people at the top are "shocked" and "outraged" by immorality when they themselves do absolutely NOTHING about our cultural life. What a bunch of hypocrites.

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    « Reply #10 on: August 17, 2013, 05:01:55 PM »
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    "Shacking up" would indeed be your definition of "white trash."

    That being said even if it is an illigetimate child I would want the mother to give birth to the child than have an abortion. Hell I myself was an illigetimate child, so Lord knows I wouldn't experience life if abortion was "offered" to my mother.

    A lot of these people at the top are "shocked" and "outraged" by immorality when they themselves do absolutely NOTHING about our cultural life. What a bunch of hypocrites.


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    « Reply #11 on: August 18, 2013, 03:27:14 AM »
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    "Shacking up" would indeed be your definition of "white trash."

    That being said even if it is an illigetimate child I would want the mother to give birth to the child than have an abortion. Hell I myself was an illigetimate child, so Lord knows I wouldn't experience life if abortion was "offered" to my mother.

    A lot of these people at the top are "shocked" and "outraged" by immorality when they themselves do absolutely NOTHING about our cultural life. What a bunch of hypocrites.


    Trad guy, to whom are you talking when you say
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    « Reply #12 on: August 18, 2013, 03:38:56 AM »
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  • Her older son Shaun Glassey was killed with a steak knife in March 2008 during an attack involving several other teens on a street corner in Gloucester County, N.J., according to news reports.
    Glassey “and some other boys were going to ambush a kid,” Bernie Weisenfeld, a spokesman for the Gloucester County prosecutor’s office, told the Associated Press.
    But the target was able to wrestle the weapon out of Glassey’s hand and he “ended up on the wrong end of the knife,” Weisenfeld said.

    This is not a case of someone living ina "bad" area. Rather it is a case of someone making an immoral decision and these sometimes are the result of those types of decisions.

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    « Reply #13 on: August 19, 2013, 08:18:26 AM »
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    Stubborn I'm sure if you gave her $5,000 to move and a  house in the suburbs and paid the property tax each year, the NJ mother would have moved.



    From this statement, I can tell you know very little about these women.  

    After my parents divorced, my mother became involved with a much undesirable man.  He was an alcoholic, scuм bag.  They lived in a shack with no indoor bathroom.  My mother was a nurse with a perfectly decent income.  As part of the divorce, my mother received from my father a portion of the sale of some lumber on their property.  I still have the returned check that my father kept for all those years.  Over $75,000.  Yes, that's correct.  In 1980, that would have bought a very comfortable home in a decent neighborhood.  What did my mother do?  Bought the scuмbag a a huge truck and went on vacation after vacation.  They didn't even put a bathroom in their shack.

    My mother's husband proceeded to wrap his truck around a tree a few months later.  The rest of the money that was left went to pay his rehab and physical therapy.  He had a huge metal rod put into his right leg because every single bone was crushed.  

    These people live in a vicious cycle of self-imposed poverty and disease.

    They would rather have 5 brief minutes of pleasure than leave behind their life.  Money makes zero difference.

    I have literally hundreds of stories from my own family to tell you about their self-imposed poverty.  It makes them feel important to be victims.  It really does.



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    « Reply #14 on: August 19, 2013, 08:35:42 AM »
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  • If God forbid, something happens to someone's family because they couldn't afford to live in a decent neighborhood, it's so reassuring to know there's a "Catholic" who will basically give you the equivalent of "tough luck goyim, you should have been more successful!"

    The Catholics on this forum are hardly tolerated to voice their opinions elsewhere, but for some reason, we have to put up with the non-Catholic view of the world, history and society smeared like barbary macaque excrement across the pages of this forum.