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What is your position on the status of Pope Francis?

Conclavist Sedevacantist - He is not the Pope, because _____ is the Pope!
Sedevacantist - He is not the Pope; the Catholic Church currently has no Pope.
Sede-privationist, Sede-impeditist, Sede-doubtist, etc. - something in between.
Recognize and Resist - He is Pope, but I will not obey when he goes against Faith or steps outside his authority.
I just don't know or I have my doubts.
He is most certainly the Pope, as certainly as Jesus Christ is God.
OTHER - (e.g., Pope Benedict is still Pope)
Siri Thesis - Card. Siri was elected & maybe appointed a successor
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Offline Centroamerica

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Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2018, 12:03:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 29, 2018, 08:23:09 AM
    You might be interested in the latest from Louie V:
    https://akacatholic.com/consequences/
    Wow! I didn’t get a chance to read it all, but I am admiring his stance. He really isn’t in it for viewers or subscribers. He seems bent on the truth. 
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    Offline Marlelar

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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #46 on: April 29, 2018, 01:27:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Centroamerica on April 29, 2018, 12:03:18 PM
    Wow! I didn’t get a chance to read it all, but I am admiring his stance. He really isn’t in it for viewers or subscribers. He seems bent on the truth.


    I am glad that he calls out the SSPX.

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    It seems that they have all but left the battlefield, or perhaps they have convinced themselves that the Bergoglian crisis isn’t their battle. Either way, it appears that they have gone A.W.O.L.
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    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #47 on: April 29, 2018, 01:45:36 PM »
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    • Quote from: Centroamerica on April 29, 2018, 12:03:18 PM
    Wow! I didn’t get a chance to read it all, but I am admiring his stance. He really isn’t in it for viewers or subscribers. He seems bent on the truth.
    It's one of the main reasons why I admire him.
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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #48 on: April 29, 2018, 01:54:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: Centroamerica on April 27, 2018, 05:52:27 PM

    Even guys that support Bishop Fellay, like Louie Verrechio, don't believe that Francis is Pope. The whole Benedict/resignationist thing is much much bigger than what people see at first look, as in there are many more people who believe it is likely. And what is most interesting is that they are spread out in many groups (SSPX/Resistance/Ecclesia Dei/ Diocesan).

    For anyone with time to watch a 15 minute video, it's worth it.




    What an awesome intro!
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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #49 on: April 29, 2018, 02:04:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on April 29, 2018, 01:27:44 PM

    I am glad that he calls out the SSPX.

    Yes, he has. I suspect that that's because some of us Resistance-types kept mentioning (in the combox) the problem with the new orientation of the SSPX over the last couple of years. The sedes who haunt the combox there aren't interested in this. They are just happy to have a guy like Louie who is as obsessed with Francis as they are. 
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #50 on: April 29, 2018, 02:30:49 PM »
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    • Quote from: Marlelar on April 29, 2018, 01:27:44 PM

    I am glad that he calls out the SSPX.
    He calls out all Recognize and Resist bishops:

    Seriously, where is Bishop Bernard Fellay, Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta, or so-called “resistance” leader, Bishop Richard Williamson, for that matter?
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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #51 on: April 29, 2018, 02:34:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 29, 2018, 02:30:49 PM
    He calls out all Recognize and Resist bishops:

    Seriously, where is Bishop Bernard Fellay, Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta, or so-called “resistance” leader, Bishop Richard Williamson, for that matter?


    Yes, I suppose he does on occasion. I don't look at Louie's blog as much these days, though I was an avid follower from when he first began the blog. It's been taken over by sedes. Not much point in posting in the combox there now. You're a regular poster in the combox, so you know what I mean.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #52 on: April 29, 2018, 02:35:38 PM »
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    • Yes, I should have said R&R, not just the SSPX.
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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #53 on: April 29, 2018, 02:36:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on April 29, 2018, 02:30:49 PM
    He calls out all Recognize and Resist bishops:

    Seriously, where is Bishop Bernard Fellay, Bishop Tissier de Mallerais, Bishop Alfonso de Galarreta, or so-called “resistance” leader, Bishop Richard Williamson, for that matter?

    Goes to show you who comments on things like they know what they’re talking about when they don’t. I read his calling out of the SSPX and Resistance bishops. It was all in the same sentence! I just didn’t put that in my first comment. Verrechio has shown he’s no sell out or concerned with comment boxes.
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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #54 on: April 29, 2018, 02:41:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: Centroamerica on April 29, 2018, 02:36:08 PM
    Goes to show you who comments on things like they know what they’re talking about when they don’t. I read his calling out of the SSPX and Resistance bishops. It was all in the same sentence! I just didn’t put that in my first comment. Verrechio has shown he’s no sell out or concerned with comment boxes.

    Yeah, well, Louie is still only a Benevacantist, right? He's not a full-fledged sede yet. Though I suppose the sedes can hope.
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    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #55 on: April 29, 2018, 02:55:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: Centroamerica on April 29, 2018, 02:36:08 PM
    Goes to show you who comments on things like they know what they’re talking about when they don’t. I read his calling out of the SSPX and Resistance bishops. It was all in the same sentence! I just didn’t put that in my first comment. Verrechio has shown he’s no sell out or concerned with comment boxes.
    WRT comments on his blogs, his only request is that we stay on the topic of the specific entry and that we don't go on a soapbox.  Some of us (sede and non sede alike) do a better job of complying than others.  I do think that sometimes it's hard to stay on topic because so many issues are interrelated.  And once one person goes off topic it is very easy to follow suit. 

    Here is a post he wrote not too long ago:
    https://akacatholic.com/on-francis-and-sedevacantism/
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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #56 on: April 30, 2018, 07:24:26 PM »
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    • I chose "other" for more personal  reasons, one of which is my ignorance in many ways on this whole matter.

    I don't really see the "R&R" thing, if Francis is going against the Faith, I believe that would hardly make him the Vicar of Christ, then again, the first pope denied Christ three  times  himself, so, who knows?

    As for the Sede position, I believe that's highly unlikely, I mean, how many decades are we going now with the chair being empty? Not saying much for the gates of hell not prevailing and all that. Actually, not saying much for the "true" Church, can't even maintain a legitimate pope for a few years for crying out loud. Pathetic itz.

    Makes me want to head east sometimes. Meh, they have their problems as well, they're more confused than we are at times.

    Anyway, it's hard for me to judge a pope, even a liberal basket case like Bergoglio.
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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #57 on: April 30, 2018, 11:55:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on April 29, 2018, 02:41:01 PM
    Yeah, well, Louie is still only a Benevacantist, right? He's not a full-fledged sede yet. Though I suppose the sedes can hope.
    Sounds like hope isn't even really necessary... it's only a matter of time before Benedict is no longer alive and he's forced into some form of sede-ism.
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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #58 on: April 30, 2018, 11:58:33 PM »
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    • While the poll shows that Sede-isms haven't exactly taken over here, I think that if they did, it would have much more to do with Francis than with the rhetoric skills of those arguing for the position.
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    Re: POLL - Personal Position on the Pope
    « Reply #59 on: May 01, 2018, 12:12:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: MaterDominici on April 30, 2018, 11:58:33 PM
    While the poll shows that Sede-isms haven't exactly taken over here, I think that if they did, it would have much more to do with Francis than with the rhetoric skills of those arguing for the position.
    Very true.
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