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Poem of the man-God, the SENSUALITY [of its 'Jesus']
« on: October 14, 2009, 10:31:42 PM »
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  • Selections From Maria Valtorta's, "Poem of the man-God"
    As to: the SENSUALITY [of her 'Jesus']


    These quotations are extracts from the,
    "Critique: 'Poem of the man-God' Medjugorje's Gospel"
    by Br. James, S.D.B.
    http://jloughnan.tripod.com/4mchomo.htm


    "It ['Poem of the man-God'] is the work of a sick, sick woman. Her 'Christ, 'Mary,' and 'Apostles' are light years away from our Bible and our liturgy...I am really uncomfortable after reading those 28 pages of quotes, and I am sad about Miss Valtorta.  I hope she's OK. She died in 1961."

    Father Mateo CIN Archives, June 10, 1993

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    While I cannot speak for either Br. James, S.D.B., nor for his proofreader as to why, in their opinion. Maria Valtorta portrayed Jesus Christ in a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ manner, I have culled some quotes from Br. James' "Critique" which may help one to see some of the possibilities.

    Notwithstanding these examples, there are many other instances of near heresy and just plain stupidity which amply warranted the placing of her imaginings on the Index, and which drew the condemnations of the Church as outlined in my file on "Poem of the man-God" and Medjugorje.

    To help the reader grasp the reality of Valtorta's distortions (and with apologies to those about to be mentioned), while reading the following quotations, please substitute the names of Jesus, Mary and the Apostles with the names of public leaders such as President and Hilary Clinton, and his USA Cabinet; or the Prime Minister of Australia, John Howard, his wife, Treasurer Peter Costello, Cabinet Ministers Peter Reith, Dr. Michael Woolridge, John Anderson, etc. Try to imagine Prime Minister Howard kissing his ministers on the lips, gazing into their "limpid eyes", kissing and running his fingers through their hair (at least, those who still have hair!!!), looking at (say) Peter Reith with "the eyes of a lover", caressing them (even when they are "half-naked") and so on. Revolting don't you think?

    Some might say that this activity is quite normal for the men of that culture; not only for present times, but also for the times in which Jesus Christ lived on earth. Just as surely, though, Jesus Christ knew what activity brought about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah! Certainly, there is nothing wrong with a father kissing the cheeks of his sons, or even those of his friends and relatives. But, Valtorta exceeds that boundary:

    "The official Vatican newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, summarized the findings of the Holy Office in an article titled "A life of Jesus Badly Fictionalized." When the publishers tried to get around the condemnation the next year by publishing a new ten-volume set, the work again was condemned in the Vatican paper which called it "a mountain of childishness, of fantasies, and of historical and exegetical falsehoods, diluted in a subtly sensual atmosphere.' " New Advent FAQ - Item 3.

    "Poem of the man-God, a multi-volume work of prose written by Maria Valtorta purports to be a factual account of the life of Christ as revealed by Jesus himself. Interest in the work grew after one of the alleged seers from Medjugorje claimed that the Virgin Mary okayed the reading of the book.

    Medjugorje visionary, Vicka Ivankovic, in an interview with an American attorney on Jan. 27, 1988 said: "Our Lady said if a person wants to know Jesus, he should read THE POEM OF THE MAN-GOD by Maria Valtorta. That book is the truth."

    Rick Salbato asks: "Rome condemned the books in 1949, 1959, 1960, 1985, twice in 1993. What more do people want?" Unity Publishing


    F. John Loughnan
    March 20, 2001
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    VOLUME I
    Paqes 309, 310, 311 V's Jesus: "I have never gone fishing and I expect to be taught by you."

    "See, Master: this is what we do. I go out beside the boat of James of Zebedee, and we go thus to the right point, both boats together. Then we lower the net. We hold one end. You said You wanted to hold it."

    V's Jesus: "Yes, if you tell Me what I have to do."

    "Please, Master, be careful, it is our daily bread. Keep an eye on the net, that jolts may not turn it over. The fish fight for their freedom with strong strokes of their tails, and if there is a lot of them. . . You will understand. They are small things, but if ten, one hundred, a thousand get together, they become as strong as Leviathan."

    Valtorta's dream: Peter takes Jesus' hand and kisses it. He is deeply moved.

    Andrew looks, but does not dare take Jesus' hand, but Jesus caressing his hair with His hand says: "I love you very much, too."

    "Oh! Master! Have I kept You waiting?" John looks at Jesus with the eyes of a lover.

    Page 365 Valtorta's dream: Jesus says some psalms and John prays with Him, but his voice dies down and he falls asleep with his head on Jesus' lap. Jesus smiles and stretches His mantle on the shoulders of the sleeping disciple and continues to pray mentally."

    Page 673 V's Jesus: "You suffered for that, but you have told the truth. I am telling you that I am pleased with you. The next time it will not cost you so much to be good. It is the first step that matters. Well done Judas!" and Jesus caresses him.
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    VOLUME II
    Page 78 V's John: "How thirsty You were, my Master! I foolishly, did not get any water."

    V's Jesus: "It does not matter, John. It is all over" and He caresses him.

    Page 94 Valtorta's dream: Jesus smiles, sits on the rustic mattress made of foliage picked in the wood. He bends and kisses the cheek of John, who opens his eyes and is dumbfounded at seeing Jesus. He sits up and says: "Do you need me? Here I am."

    V's Jesus: "No. I woke you up as I did the others, but you thought it was your mother. So I kissed you, as mothers do."

    John, half naked in his undertunic, because he used his tunic and mantle as bed covers, clasps Jesus' neck and lays his head between Jesus' shoulder and cheek saying: "Oh! You are more than a mother! I left her for You, but I would not leave You for her! She bore me to the earth. You are bearing me to Heaven."

    Page 95 Valtorta's dream: John smiles and weeps, panting, inflamed by love, relaxing on Jesus' chest, as if he were exhausted by his ardour. Jesus caresses him, burning with love Himself.

    V's Jesus: "Do not worry, John. No one will be aware of your wedding with the Love. Get dressed, come. We must leave."

    Iscariot looks at Jesus with a shy smile, marked by tears. Jesus caresses him passing by.

    Page 264 Valtorta's dream: Jesus embraces James' shoulders with His arm to draw him closer to Himself.

    Page 642 Then Jesus draws His cousin towards Himself and James takes John's habitual posture: his head resting on the upper part of Jesus' chest, one arm hanging loose, the other hand in that of his Cousin. They remain thus, while in the dusk, birds twitter loudly in the thicket, the tinkle of cattle-bells recedes and fades in the distance, and a light breeze rustles caressingly in the tree tops, cool and reviving after the heat of the day, and promising dew in the night.

    Page 650 V's James weeps on Jesus' chest. V's Jesus: "Come I will kiss you thus, to help you forget the burden of My fate as Man. You will remember alt this at the right moment, as you asked. I kiss your lips that will have to repeat My words to the people of Israel." They remain embraced for a long time and James seems to doze off in the joy of God's kisses.

    Page 694 V's Jesus: "If anyone should rob you of your mantle, give him also your tunic. If you should remain completely nude because of your mildness and detachment from riches, you will not scandalise the angels of the Lord or the infinite chastity of God."
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    VOLUME III
    Page 30 V's Jesus: "What name shall I give them? You apostles, you disciples, the believers will be called 'Christians'. And those? What name will they have? A name known only in Heaven. What reward will they receive from the earth? My kiss. My voice, the warmth of My body. "

    Page 186 V's Jesus: "I am going to tell him. It will be easier with Syntyche. Mother, go to Marjiam, wake him up and pray while I speak to that man. I feel as if I had to rummage in his bowels."

    Page 216 V's Jesus: "Pray for Me. I will need your prayers. They will help Me, that I may not go to the extent of saying: 'The whole of Mankind is made of demons.'

    "Kiss Me goodbye, John. I would have kept you with Me, at the cost of tearing bits of flesh ofl My body, had I not seen all the good that this separation will bring about both for you and for Me.
    Page 307 V's Jesus: "What is worrying you, Bart? Are you not coming to be embraced by your Master? Philip, why are you so timid? If I did not know that you are two honest people, in whose hearts no wickedness can dwell, I should suspect that you are guilty. It is not so. Come, therefore! I was waiting to receive your kisses and see the limpid look of your faithful eyes."

    Page 462 Valtorta's John: "Yes, it is Master" who has taken his habitual posture with his arm round the Master's neck and his head reclined on His shoulder.

    Page 490 Valtorta's dream: The Zealot, on whose chest Jesus' head is resting, bends to kiss His hair saying: "We love You so much!"

    Page 765 Valtorta's dream: Jesus kisses Judas' closed eyelids, his lips and then his heart, bending His head to look for the heart of His disciple.

    Page 803 Valtorta's dream: Jesus bends and kisses Simon Peter's hair.
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    VOLUME IV
    Page 108 Valtorta's dream: Jesus hastens to say: "As far as I am concerned it is enough if you go to Capernaum on the Sabbath with your companions. Come that I may kiss you, you who are leaving Me." He fondly kisses the apostles who are departing, giving each of them a piece of advice in a whisper.

    Page 280 V's Jesus: "I will help you. Look, I will caress your lips [Jonathan] and thus they will be able to remain closed.

    Page 313 Valtorta's dream: Jesus, Who has been left all alone after He handed a servant His sandals and tunic so that they might be brushed and tidied after the journey of the previous day, does not sleep. Sitting on the edge of the couch. His bare feet on the floor-mat, a short tunic or vest covering His body as far as His elbows and knees. He is engrossed in thought. His scanty attire makes Him look younger in the splendid perfect harmony of His virile body, the intensity of His thoughts, which are certainly not joyful, wrinkle and contract His face in a painful expression of tiredness, which makes Him look older.

    Page 350 V's Jesus: "Let Me kiss you."

    Valtorta's dream: He kisses them one by one. Judas weeps when he kisses Him. He clings to Jesus, kissing Him several times and whispering through His hair, close to His ear: "Pray, pray for me".

    Page 384 V's Jesus: "The power of the Father is the generation of the Son and the act of generating and being generated creates the Fire, [ Uncreated God ! ] that is, the Spirit of the Spirit of God. The Power turns to the Wisdom Whom It generated and Who turns to the Power in the joy of being One for the Other and of knowing each other for what They are." [You lost me! ]

    Page 393 Valtorta's dream: Jesus makes a gesture which He never makes thus in public. He bends, because He is much taller than Abel, and taking his head with His hands. He kisses his lips saying: "Let it be so", at least I think that is what His "Maranatha" means.

    Page 639 Valtorta's dream: Beautiful is the miracle of a little dumb boy, who is handed to Jesus by his weeping mother and is cured by Him with a kiss on his lips."

    Page 693 V's Jesus: "Give Me a kiss, son."

    Valtorta's dream: He takes the man's head in His hands and kisses his forehead, then He bends to receive his kiss. A timid kiss - that hardly touches the emaciated cheek. The young man collapses on Jesus' chest weeping.

    Page 807 V's Jesus: "Now, I give you [apostles] power to do what I do and what I want you to do, so that God may be glorified."

    Valtorta's dream: He breathes on them. He kisses them one by one and dismisses them.

    Comment by Br. James: These events described, except for the kissing, were done after His Resurrection, not before His Passion and Death. This text is from: THE THIRD YEAR OF THE PUBLIC LIFE.
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    Proofreader for this critique: "If I had not promised to proof read this for you, I would have stopped reading. I do not know if I can contain my last meal. Very disturbing! Dangerously blasphemous material. Scary that many persons will believe this. Valtorta's Jesus is ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ! "

    Br. James, S.D.B.: "I will critique Volume V when it is available. Poem of the Man-God is so demonic that without a special Grace from our Lord Jesus, we would be trapped in seemingly harmless statements by Valtorta's Jesus, but they enclose lies and heresy, contrary to Teachings of our One, Holy, Catholic Church. 'The gates of hell shall not prevail against Me: My Church!' "
    The business of the Christian is nothing else but to be ever preparing for death. — Irenaeus Of Lyons


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    Poem of the man-God, the SENSUALITY [of its 'Jesus']
    « Reply #1 on: October 14, 2009, 10:41:27 PM »
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  • Absolutely disgusting!  :barf:

    I don't understand how some people out there could believe that garbage.
    The business of the Christian is nothing else but to be ever preparing for death. — Irenaeus Of Lyons


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    Poem of the man-God, the SENSUALITY [of its 'Jesus']
    « Reply #2 on: October 16, 2009, 06:14:08 AM »
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  • Blasphemous filth!!!

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    « Reply #3 on: January 26, 2010, 07:43:59 PM »
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  •   I see nothing immodest or impure in kissing.
    We have "norouz kiss" here. When the new year (norouz)arrives people kiss their relatives, friends and family members on the cheek. They kiss hands of elders of a family.
    .... and there is nothing homo in doing this, as they are all married with children.
      Read my defence here:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/index.php?a=topic&t=10018#p3

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    « Reply #4 on: January 26, 2010, 09:09:55 PM »
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  • Blasphemous FILTH!


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    « Reply #5 on: January 26, 2010, 09:36:34 PM »
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  •   Why?

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    « Reply #6 on: January 26, 2010, 09:37:28 PM »
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  • I mean the deliberate eroticism in the original post.

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    « Reply #7 on: January 26, 2010, 09:57:13 PM »
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  • Quote from: spouse of Jesus
    I see nothing immodest or impure in kissing.


    Not in kissing per se.  But there's kissing and then there's kissing.  And this was the latter.

    I come from an Eastern European background, and even men kiss one another on the cheek.  Yet it's anything but sensual.  Valtorta's stuff is borderline homoerotic.

    Father Kevin Robinson of the SSPX (and I went to seminary with him as well) wrote an Apologia Pro Maria Valtorta:
    http://www.scribd.com/doc/3983225/Apologia-Pro-Maria-Valtorta


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    « Reply #8 on: January 26, 2010, 10:04:43 PM »
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  • Among the great ascetical masters were those who vehemently denounced even the most 'innocent' touches between individuals for the simple fact that such touches could incite the will to lust and in mere moments a hapless soul could be lost.

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    « Reply #9 on: January 27, 2010, 06:33:11 PM »
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  •    I can tolerate most protestants in small doses but Calvinists and Jansenists irk me  more than somewhat.

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    « Reply #10 on: January 27, 2010, 10:31:36 PM »
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  • Are you accusing the great Catholic Saints and ascetics, Such as St. Francis of Assis, St. Vincent de Paul, St. Charles Borromeo, St. Joseph of Cupertino and Bl. Jean-Marie Vianney, who pursued PURITY with HEROIC DEEDS OF MORTIFICATION, and who expressed similar ideas to what I have said, of JANSENISM AND CALVINISM?!


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    « Reply #11 on: January 29, 2010, 11:37:14 PM »
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  • Quote from: CM
    Are you accusing the great Catholic Saints and ascetics, Such as St. Francis of Assis, St. Vincent de Paul, St. Charles Borromeo, St. Joseph of Cupertino and Bl. Jean-Marie Vianney, who pursued PURITY with HEROIC DEEDS OF MORTIFICATION, and who expressed similar ideas to what I have said, of JANSENISM AND CALVINISM?!


    O f course not! While I never knew any of these fine men personally I am prepared to bet that none of them were stern emotionally stunted folk with all the human affection and humor of a stone. I have had the priveledge of knowing some very wise and holy men and women....none of which were grumpy old pieces of wood.
    We necessarily accept that there are cultural practices that are accepted in some times and places and not in others...there are physical displays of esteem and affection that are only that.....even in our culture. If, for example, a man embraces his son; a woman embraces son, daughter, sister, brother-in law, neighbour, close friend or even someone they feel some empathy towards for whatever reason does not imply some sɛҳuąƖ relations.

    I don't know what bitter misery you have in your mind, but it does seem that you are more than willing to "share" it with the readers of these pages.