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Offline St Frumentius

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Re: Poche is banned
« Reply #45 on: October 07, 2020, 03:27:37 PM »
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     Poche was many things but never sneaky or dishonest.
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    Taking Pope St. Pius X's, et al, quotes out of context isn't dishonest or sneaky?


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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #46 on: October 07, 2020, 03:28:44 PM »
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     Poche was many things but never sneaky or dishonest. 



    Taking Pope St. Pius X's, et al, quotes out of context isn't dishonest or sneaky?


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    « Reply #47 on: October 07, 2020, 03:30:00 PM »
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    Likely, it was Cera. 
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    Poche's disoriented Catholic, soul-mate.
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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #48 on: October 07, 2020, 03:31:13 PM »
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    Poche was many things but never sneaky or dishonest.

    Taking Pope St. Pius X's, et al, quotes out of context isn't dishonest or sneaky?

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    « Reply #49 on: October 07, 2020, 03:33:15 PM »
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    Incredulous quote

    Likely, it was Cera. Poche's disoriented Catholic soul-mate.

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #50 on: October 07, 2020, 04:12:42 PM »
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  • You're right; it isn't his style. Poche was many things but never sneaky or dishonest. Sadly, he never listened to sense either.

    When I meant it wasn't his style I was thinking more along the lines of not being revengeful.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #51 on: October 07, 2020, 04:53:21 PM »
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  • Taking Pope St. Pius X's, et al, quotes out of context isn't dishonest or sneaky?

    This was taken into serious consideration when I was deciding about Poche's ban.

    Either he's so far gone Modernist he does such things automatically (subconsciously), or he's doing it conciously, and therefore maliciously. Either way, that is not a good sign at all.

    If you're innocently duped, you don't feel any compulsion to distort the truth one direction or the other. You don't distort things when you're just looking for the truth.
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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #52 on: October 07, 2020, 11:32:23 PM »
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  • Taking Pope St. Pius X's, et al, quotes out of context isn't dishonest or sneaky?

    Grow up, little girly-man. The one thing you can be relied upon to do is miss the point.


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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #53 on: October 07, 2020, 11:33:24 PM »
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  • When I meant it wasn't his style I was thinking more along the lines of not being revengeful.

    What you meant didn't require explaining.

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #54 on: October 07, 2020, 11:48:04 PM »
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  • If you're innocently duped, you don't feel any compulsion to distort the truth one direction or the other. You don't distort things when you're just looking for the truth.

    I think it would be difficult to find genuinely probative evidence that poche willfully distorted the truth. After all, there are at least a dozen conciliar-oriented websites that are stocked with the sort of cherry-picked quotes—all tending to celebrate the council and the Newchurch that emerged in its revolutionary aftermath—that poche was forever posting here. I think it's likely that he frequented such sites on a regular basis and brought the fruits [ahem] of his research back here. He was, after all, Newchurch right down to his corpuscles.

    Take, for example, the quotes that suggest that Pius XI's Mit brennender Sorge was nothing but a condemnation of Hitler and the nαzι regime. Poche must have posted those sentences here twenty times or more in the eight years I've been around. Of course, even the Jєωs are fans of those bits in that encyclical, though naturally for their own malicious reasons.

    Poche seems genuinely to have believed that what he wrote was true. The truly Trad thing to do would be to remember him occasionally in our prayers, with the object being that he'll awaken from his delusional dream before it's too late.

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #55 on: October 08, 2020, 04:25:12 AM »
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  • I think it would be difficult to find genuinely probative evidence that poche willfully distorted the truth. After all, there are at least a dozen conciliar-oriented websites that are stocked with the sort of cherry-picked quotes—all tending to celebrate the council and the Newchurch that emerged in its revolutionary aftermath—that poche was forever posting here. I think it's likely that he frequented such sites on a regular basis and brought the fruits [ahem] of his research back here. He was, after all, Newchurch right down to his corpuscles.

    Take, for example, the quotes that suggest that Pius XI's Mit brennender Sorge was nothing but a condemnation of Hitler and the nαzι regime. Poche must have posted those sentences here twenty times or more in the eight years I've been around. Of course, even the Jєωs are fans of those bits in that encyclical, though naturally for their own malicious reasons.

    Poche seems genuinely to have believed that what he wrote was true. The truly Trad thing to do would be to remember him occasionally in our prayers, with the object being that he'll awaken from his delusional dream before it's too late.

    Well said, though I don't agree that praying for Poche is a truly trad thing to do (at least not on this forum). Though I now think that it's a good thing that Poche has been banned, it would indeed be good to remember him in our prayers, though very few here would ever consider doing that, since Poche is the very epitome of the enemy for many here. But aren't we supposed to love our enemies and pray for them? I wonder who said that.....

    The frustrating thing about Poche is that he would not ever admit that he was wrong, as has been mentioned here before, and he wouldn't listen to reason.
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #56 on: October 08, 2020, 04:32:51 AM »
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  • I think it would be difficult to find genuinely probative evidence that poche willfully distorted the truth. After all, there are at least a dozen conciliar-oriented websites that are stocked with the sort of cherry-picked quotes—all tending to celebrate the council and the Newchurch that emerged in its revolutionary aftermath—that poche was forever posting here. I think it's likely that he frequented such sites on a regular basis and brought the fruits [ahem] of his research back here. He was, after all, Newchurch right down to his corpuscles.

    Take, for example, the quotes that suggest that Pius XI's Mit brennender Sorge was nothing but a condemnation of Hitler and the nαzι regime. Poche must have posted those sentences here twenty times or more in the eight years I've been around. Of course, even the Jєωs are fans of those bits in that encyclical, though naturally for their own malicious reasons.

    Poche seems genuinely to have believed that what he wrote was true. The truly Trad thing to do would be to remember him occasionally in our prayers, with the object being that he'll awaken from his delusional dream before it's too late.
    I would agree with this except he was corrected probably just as many times and continued to post the same things anyway.    
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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #57 on: October 08, 2020, 04:37:20 AM »
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  • What you meant didn't require explaining.
    Yes, it did because what I meant was not the same thing you thought I meant.
    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. (Matthew 24:24)

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #58 on: October 08, 2020, 05:23:22 AM »
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  • I don't know if it was willful for Poche, but it was consistent and stubborn enough to ban him IMO.  It would be one thing if, as Ladislaus suggested awhile back, he at least gave some indication of where he actually stood and why he was here, but since he didn't, he really just came off as an incessant troll who constantly derailed the forum with nonsense.

    i'll pray for him though.  If he is sincerely just a duped NO Catholic, I don't think he should be here if he's not able to converse responsibly, but he isn't auto-damned.  And if he really is a malicious plant, well, he could still convert

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    Re: Poche is banned
    « Reply #59 on: October 08, 2020, 07:54:10 AM »
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  • Grow up, little girly-man. The one thing you can be relied upon to do is miss the point.
     
    claudel, please try to calm down.  You ruthlessly excoriated CryptoNox on another thread for asking a question about the Confiteor ... simply because he didn't understand something.  There's no need for that.