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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: BTNYC on March 17, 2019, 01:39:25 AM
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Calumny against a saint is blasphemy against the Holy Trinity whence all that saint's sanctity derives.
Behold the snake Poche revealing himself in full at last:
https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/anti-semitism-part-of-wave-of-'depraved-hatred-'-pope-says/msg646762/?topicseen#msg646762 (https://www.cathinfo.com/crisis-in-the-church/anti-semitism-part-of-wave-of-'depraved-hatred-'-pope-says/msg646762/?topicseen#msg646762)
St John Chrysostom died in exile after a long forced march. One wonders how much of this earthly Purgatory he could have avoided if he had been a bit milder.
Poche here crosses a line even Sigismund never dared to. Sigismund merely identified St. John as an "αnтι-ѕємιтє."
While judging a Church Father and Greatest of the Eastern Doctors according to the standards of the ADL is no small outrage, Poche dares to go so far as to attribute St. John's holy suffering for Christ's sake to his righteously indignant polemics against the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan. POCHE STATES THAT GOD PUNISHED ST. JOHN CHRYSOSTOM WITH EARTHLY SUFFERING FOR THE "SIN' OF "ANTI-SEMITISM."
I do not exaggerate when I say this is the worst example of blasphemy I have ever seen on Cathinfo.
I implore Matthew to act on this.
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And against the words of St Basil the great:
One mortal sin committed by the soul of a traditional Catholic, a chosen soul who should know who Jesus is an should love Jesus above all else, causes more pain to Jesus than the outrages of the infidels who don't know Him.
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pooch is a known v2 anti-church fraud :sleep:
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One mortal sin committed by the soul of a traditional Catholic, a chosen soul who should know who Jesus is an should love Jesus above all else, causes more pain to Jesus than the outrages of the infidels who don't know Him.
pretty sure St Basil didn't say traditional Catholic
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I do not exaggerate when I say this is the worst example of blasphemy I have ever seen on Cathinfo.
Well, I've seen worse ... but mostly from poche.
Technically not blasphemy, since it's about a saint. AND ... it's well known that many saints did have faults during their life on earth. St. Jerome struggled with anger and intemperance.
What's completely out of line, however, is to suggest that St. John Chrysostom's earthly sufferings were basically imposed by God in expiation for some imagined fault.
And the biggest problem with poche is attributing sin/fault to what is nothing more than righteous indignation on the part of St. John ... which can not only be without fault but can even be a virtue, depending on the circuмstances dictated by prudence. Our Lord often chastised the Pharisees, and He even whipped the money-changers out of the Temple. So next poche will imagine that part of Our Lord's sufferings were due to His "intemperance".
poche should have been banned years ago.
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I deleted the offending post. It still lives on since it was quoted at least 3 times...
Poche has been a harmless Novus Ordo dupe on CathInfo for a long time. I see no reason to change my "poche policy" at this time.
You can't make a case that he is subtle, clever, or convincing -- and therefore dangerous, like a Jєωιѕн infiltrator would be. I am well aware of how agents work on message boards to control the narrative, etc. This has been posted on CathInfo many times: https://www.cathinfo.com/general-discussion/how-to-infiltrate-a-forum/
I don't believe Poche is an agent. He is too obvious. No one is confused, influenced, or led astray by his Novus Ordo nonsense. Anyone who agrees with Poche has always agreed with Poche, and certainly wasn't convinced by him to any degree.
I have a special ability to read things in a sandbox and detect minute pulls on emotion, what ideas are introduced into my head, what impressions/feelings I get about the subject of the article, etc. Then I analyze those reactions from above, objectively, to make an assessment and detect any biases or agendas in the article. I am very objective but also sensitive to any subtle propaganda.
I read an article both rationally, analytically but also trying to draw out the big picture, the "essence" which often can't be put into words. This is something normally associated with artists, who use their right brain.
Poche is what you call a TOKEN member. He is our token pet Novus Ordo dupe. A constant reminder of what is wrong in the Novus Ordo. That is actually helpful for us.
As long as there is no danger of contagion. But as I said above, there is no danger in this case.
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Technically not blasphemy, since it's about a saint. AND ... it's well known that many saints did have faults during their life on earth. St. Jerome struggled with anger and intemperance.
1. BTNYC goes overboard by calling it "blasphemy of the Holy Ghost" -- with that logic, ANY kind of blasphemy is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, since the Holy Ghost is the source of ALL sanctity.
2. Yes it's blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Saints. There is also blasphemy against the Blessed Virgin Mary. All 3 types of blasphemy occur; though the modern world has a clear favorite, uttered in almost every modern movie.
3. Note the Divine Praises (the #1 prayer of reparation for blasphemy) praises God's Holy Name, Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost, then specifically praises Mary Virgin and Mother (because so many blasphemies against her, and her perpetual virginity) and at the end, "Blessed be God in His angels and in His saints." because people used to blaspheme against the saints.
So here we have a case of blasphemy against a Saint. Not against the Holy Ghost, but against a Saint. Still bad.
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Thank you for your responses, Matthew; and for making your position on the matter clear.
For my part, I find Poche's continued presence here intolerable, so I'll be resuming my retirement from the forum. If the matter comes up in any future "Whatever Happened To..." threads, you may refer the inquiring party to this post.
God bless, friends.
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pretty sure St Basil didn't say traditional Catholic
He certainly did not. These are words of Poche,
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One mortal sin committed by the soul of a traditional Catholic, a chosen soul who should know who Jesus is an should love Jesus above all else, causes more pain to Jesus than the outrages of the infidels who don't know Him.
...against the words of St Basil the great
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Poche has overstepped common sense. How can you argue with the Fathers of the church on truth and be Catholic
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This is from a soul in Purgatory;
You are sad in seeing how God is insulted in Paris, but those poor people do not know what they are doing, in spite of all their blasphemies. Jesus is much more outraged by the sins of those consecrated to Him than by the more violent crimes of those who are not His friends. How many souls whom Jesus has called to perfection remain always worthless because they have not corresponded to Divine Grace.
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?id=6253
Those of us who go to the TLM are specially chosen by God. One mortal sin committed by one of us is more offensive to God than something else that would appear to be much worse committed by the Jєωs, atheists, or Islamic extremists.
Jesus Himself said, "Woe to you Choraizin and Capharnaum, if the miracles worked in you had been done in Sodom and Gommorah they would have repented long ago."
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I will remember poche as I venerate St John Chrysostom's relic with extra devotion this Sunday before and after the Divine Liturgy at the local Byzantine Catholic Church.
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Poche is harmless.
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Thank you for your responses, Matthew; and for making your position on the matter clear.
For my part, I find Poche's continued presence here intolerable, so I'll be resuming my retirement from the forum. If the matter comes up in any future "Whatever Happened To..." threads, you may refer the inquiring party to this post.
God bless, friends.
You're a good poster. If that's the case, then you let him run you out of here. He wins. That's what he wants.
You should reconsider.
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You're a good poster. If that's the case, then you let him run you out of here. He wins. That's what he wants.
You should reconsider.
That's what I was thinking, too.
Poche, closeted sodomites, and crypto-Jєωs smile at BTNYC leaving this forum.
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That's what I was thinking, too.
Poche, closeted sodomites, and crypto-Jєωs smile at BTNYC leaving this forum.
He'd be better off sticking around and mocking the idiot.
That's what works with leftist idiots and infiltrators.
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BTNYC's interest in poche makes me scratch my head. The obvious types have never interested me because they're usually not respected. It's those frauds who are respected who alarm me. Not that I would care if poche was banned, but there are far bigger fish to fry, and to focus such energy on a total lightweight seems misplaced. BTNYC, have you ever noticed the Judaizing h0Ɩ0h0αx-peddlers ggreg (https://www.cathinfo.com/catholic-living-in-the-modern-world/thread4greg-an-englishman's-perspective-on-russian-perspective/) and GriffRuby/Ubipetrus (https://www.cathinfo.com/fighting-errors-in-the-modern-world/griff-ruby-is-questionable-on-the-Jєωs/)? Those are just two examples of heavyweight Judaizers, in that they are respected on these trad Cath forums, probably by many members you hold in good regard. Countless are the number of less respected and lighter-weight Judaizers. Poche ranks even below these. This is poche's reputation: +582/-1620
If ggreg hadn't have been banned I have little doubt that he would have had the highest reputation on the forum within the year. He was the most popular member on SuscipeDomine and is respected on Mithrandylan's forum, as is Ubipetrus/Griff Ruby.
The most typical kind of Judaizing on these forums is Judaizing by omission. Talking about current events through a Jєωιѕн-engineered prism. Posting about Qanon, and Vladimir Putin or Trump being the savior of the West, and Alex Jones, and the alt-right, and Jordan Peterson. Or talking endlessly about feminism, sedevacantism, and theology and never talking about Jєωs and the h0Ɩ0h0αx and 9/11.
Your outrage over poche is misplaced, considering what a lightweight he is.
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I agree with you, Rum. I was very surprised that BTNYC would get the huffs over such a person as Poche. He is irritating but in life irritations are a constant. BTNYC is one of the best posters and contributes some good sense (mostly) to the forum. Such a shame. Come back, BTNYC.
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Caesar Augustus has spoken!
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And Poche lives to troll another day...
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Poche is harmless.
...and clueless.
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I never read posts by pooch. Didn't there use to be a Hide(Ignore) function?? :confused:
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...and clueless.
Sorry, but I have a contrarian view of Poche's posts.
In toto, they serve as "the little voice of doubt", to the trad remnant, that there's still graces coming from newChurch.
That's why the term troll is applicable here.
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I don't think that poche is entirely harmless ... he is afterall a Modernist.
Nevertheless, he does serve the role of devil's advocate very well here ... quite literally. And it does help keep people honest.
In a way, it would be a little boring around here without poche constantly defending Bergoglio and his altar beach balls.
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Methinks the term "useful idiot" is appropos. Pray for his conversion. :pray:
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I don't think that poche is entirely harmless ... he is afterall a Modernist.
Nevertheless, he does serve the role of devil's advocate very well here ... quite literally. And it does help keep people honest.
In a way, it would be a little boring around here without poche constantly defending Bergoglio and his altar beach balls.
Lest we forget...
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