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Offline Matthew

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Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2020, 08:22:36 AM »
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  • Yes, I have no interest in tradcumenism or tradpluralism (liberalism).

    If I did, I would just content myself with the SSPX, and float merrily down the stream.

    We are talking about two different things. Personally, I have a strong conviction that the Resistance is the best position. I don't float around between chapels, or consider that "one is as good as another". Now I can't compel the conscience of others, because I don't have the authority -- but that's another question altogether.

    But when I sell Chant CDs, I'm happy to sell them to anyone who appreciates Gregorian Chant, and yes that includes Novus Ordo Catholics. There is NOTHING wrong with that.

    I would be foolish to tweak my marketing to appeal ONLY to Resistance and sedevacantist Trads. Why would I do that? Chant is chant.

    If I compromised, selling Chant in English for example, that would be a different story. But I don't. 

    The same goes for Catholic books. Novus Ordo Catholics need to read "Intro to the Devout Life" by St. Francis de Sales every bit as much as the most well-educated, Crisis-aware Trad.

    Tom Nelson did almost nothing to get those extra Novus Ordo sales -- which probably amounted to 75%+ of his business income.

    And by the way -- a good case could be made that Tom did the right thing by mentioning where the Church discipline changed. The SSPX deals with this all the time. They used to recommend that you fast on Ember days (and promote such), but they DID have to admit and point out that it's not binding under pain of mortal sin any longer. I think that's important.
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    Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
    « Reply #31 on: January 15, 2020, 08:37:16 AM »
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  • We are talking about two different things. Personally, I have a strong conviction that the Resistance is the best position. I don't float around between chapels, or consider that "one is as good as another". Now I can't compel the conscience of others, because I don't have the authority -- but that's another question altogether.

    But when I sell Chant CDs, I'm happy to sell them to anyone who appreciates Gregorian Chant, and yes that includes Novus Ordo Catholics. There is NOTHING wrong with that.

    I would be foolish to tweak my marketing to appeal ONLY to Resistance and sedevacantist Trads. Why would I do that? Chant is chant.

    If I compromised, selling Chant in English for example, that would be a different story. But I don't.

    The same goes for Catholic books. Novus Ordo Catholics need to read "Intro to the Devout Life" by St. Francis de Sales every bit as much as the most well-educated, Crisis-aware Trad.

    Tom Nelson did almost nothing to get those extra Novus Ordo sales -- which probably amounted to 75%+ of his business income.

    And by the way -- a good case could be made that Tom did the right thing by mentioning where the Church discipline changed. The SSPX deals with this all the time. They used to recommend that you fast on Ember days (and promote such), but they DID have to admit and point out that it's not binding under pain of mortal sin any longer. I think that's important.
    Can you point me toward some English-language Resistance blogs?
    I am aware of Tradcatresist.
    After that....
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
    « Reply #32 on: January 15, 2020, 08:39:51 AM »
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  • We are talking about two different things. Personally, I have a strong conviction that the Resistance is the best position. I don't float around between chapels, or consider that "one is as good as another". Now I can't compel the conscience of others, because I don't have the authority -- but that's another question altogether.

    But when I sell Chant CDs, I'm happy to sell them to anyone who appreciates Gregorian Chant, and yes that includes Novus Ordo Catholics. There is NOTHING wrong with that.

    I would be foolish to tweak my marketing to appeal ONLY to Resistance and sedevacantist Trads. Why would I do that? Chant is chant.

    If I compromised, selling Chant in English for example, that would be a different story. But I don't.

    The same goes for Catholic books. Novus Ordo Catholics need to read "Intro to the Devout Life" by St. Francis de Sales every bit as much as the most well-educated, Crisis-aware Trad.

    Tom Nelson did almost nothing to get those extra Novus Ordo sales -- which probably amounted to 75%+ of his business income.

    And by the way -- a good case could be made that Tom did the right thing by mentioning where the Church discipline changed. The SSPX deals with this all the time. They used to recommend that you fast on Ember days (and promote such), but they DID have to admit and point out that it's not binding under pain of mortal sin any longer. I think that's important.
    Selling chant CDs is agnostic, and rightly so.
    It is not a Resistance apostolate.
    I’d sell chant CDs to Buddhists.
    But selling chant CDs doesn’t help the Resistance (the only group I’m interested in promoting).

    Ps: Toms business was publishing traditional Catholic books.  My business is promoting the Resistance, and I can count on one hand those in the English-language doing anything similar.

    PPs: I have 7 kids, wife, job, long drive to Mass, etc.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

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    Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
    « Reply #33 on: January 15, 2020, 10:49:30 AM »
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  • So you're talking about specifically pro-Resistance Catholic action. As my wife pointed out, that's not the same as Catholic Action. The two are not the same thing simpliciter.  

    In other words,

    1. You could have little to no Resistance-specific Catholic action going on, and still have quite a bit of Catholic action or helping/building up the Church in general.
    2. Everything "generic" like Gregorian chant, general Catholic books, chapel veils, Catholic apologetics, even pro-life action is a sub-set of the Resistance.
    Picture a circle labeled "Catholic" and a slightly larger circle around it that is labeled "Resistance". What you want is stuff in between those 2 circles. But everything inside the smaller circle is ALSO inside the larger circle, so...

    In fact, inside the "Catholic" circle would be a smaller circle labeled "natural law" which would include pro-life work, political action, etc.

    My next question is, what exactly needs to be done? Generally an apostolate or life-work is going to meet some need.

    Considering there is a huge priest shortage, and by extension a shortage of Resistance or independent chapels across the United States (many Catholics can't get to one, even with a 15 hour drive!) that would seem to be a much more pressing need. What specifically pro-Resistance great works of action (public, outside the home) are these isolated Resistance Catholics supposed to engage in, considering they have no fellow parishioners and not even a place to attend Mass on Sunday?

    What can a single individual do for "Resistance-promoting Catholic action", aside from hold up a cardboard sign at a busy intersection? Everyone would just assume he's homeless and/or crazy.
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    Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
    « Reply #34 on: January 15, 2020, 10:54:44 AM »
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  • May God rest good Mr. Thomas Nelson, founder of TAN Books. Requiescat in pace. 

    Sean asked: "Can you point me toward some English-language Resistance blogs?"

    What about right here, Cathinfo. Granted, it's a forum, not a blog. But same difference. 
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    Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
    « Reply #35 on: January 15, 2020, 10:57:05 AM »
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  • May God rest good Mr. Thomas Nelson, founder of TAN Books. Requiescat in pace.

    Sean asked: "Can you point me toward some English-language Resistance blogs?"

    What about right here, Cathinfo. Granted, it's a forum, not a blog. But same difference.

    Whoah Nellie...
    Source?
    Has he died yet? I haven't heard that.
    Do you read all threads and treat all matters so superficially? ;)

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    Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
    « Reply #36 on: January 15, 2020, 11:01:43 AM »
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  • My Mistake. Apologies. Read the part about last rites and got myself confused. Prayers for him. 
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    Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
    « Reply #37 on: January 15, 2020, 12:30:34 PM »
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  • Matthew, please keep us updated. Know that I am praying for your grand-uncle. Lord have mercy.

    In the meantime, I hope he is not in hospice care as in California, it is planned euthanasia with increasing amounts of morphine until the person dies. My mom died a horrific death since she reacted to morphine, but that did not stop the nurses. The conditions were inhumane. I would not wish that on anyone.

    Lord have mercy.


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    Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
    « Reply #38 on: January 15, 2020, 07:49:46 PM »
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  • He has my prayers!

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    Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
    « Reply #39 on: January 30, 2020, 10:30:35 PM »
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  • Matthew, do you have any updates? Thanks and God bless.
    Remember O most gracious Virgin Mary...

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    Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
    « Reply #40 on: January 31, 2020, 02:26:09 PM »
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  • I just asked for an update from my family up north, and got this:


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    Last I heard (a couple of weeks ago) was that he
    was paralyzed on one side, his speech was slurred,
    he can't swallow.  An SSPX priest came when he
    was first admitted and gave him the last rites. Then
    N. said a Rosary and Tom joined in on
    about the 4th decade.  M. called up there
    about a week ago and they won't give out any info...
    just say that he is there.

    That's the last I heard. 

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    Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
    « Reply #41 on: February 04, 2020, 02:09:26 PM »
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    Quote ''The patient is in St. Anne's Center now. He's quite debilitated physically, and it's not clear how his recovery will develop.
     In some ways his mind is very sharp. He seems to derive consolation from the fact that people are praying for him."

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    Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
    « Reply #42 on: February 04, 2020, 03:28:24 PM »
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     ''The patient is in St. Anne's Center now. He's quite debilitated physically, and it's not clear how his recovery will develop.
     In some ways his mind is very sharp. He seems to derive consolation from the fact that people are praying for him."

    Lord have mercy on Tom, healing him and granting him salvation.
    Lord have mercy.


     

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