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Title: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Mr G on January 13, 2020, 05:56:39 PM
From an e-mail:

Fr. Kurtz just gave Tom Last Rites. Tom was aware that he was being anointed and was trying to make the sign of the cross. He is still in critical condition and needs your prayers.

Please pray for Tom Nelson (founder of TAN books) for he had a stroke Friday night. He is currently at Rockford Memorial Hospital and is not coherent. They are concerned that he could die at any time. Fr. Kurtz is right now on his way to give him Last Rites.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on January 13, 2020, 06:32:47 PM
 :pray: :pray: :pray: I believe that Tom Nelson is Matthew’s uncle. We will pray our family rosary for him.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: MaterDominici on January 13, 2020, 06:41:48 PM
:pray: :pray: :pray: I believe that Tom Nelson is Matthew’s uncle. We will pray our family rosary for him.
His great uncle and confirmation sponsor among many other things.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: SimpleMan on January 13, 2020, 06:57:32 PM
Will pray for him indeed.  He once wrote me a personal letter back when I was young and a fervent "conservative Novus Ordo" activist --- I had not yet come to Tradition, and was scandalized by the fact that TAN sold books by Michael Davies and books questioning the New Mass.  Mr Nelson did a lot of good for the Church and for the traditionalist movement.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 13, 2020, 06:59:18 PM
From an e-mail:

Fr. Kurtz just gave Tom Last Rites. Tom was aware that he was being anointed and was trying to make the sign of the cross. 
That is very edifying!
We will be praying as soon as this post is done.
No time to waste; more about Tom later.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Viva Cristo Rey on January 13, 2020, 08:13:20 PM
We will pray for Mr. Nelson.  We will pray for Mathew, Mater and their family too. 

May God bless them. 
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 13, 2020, 08:16:30 PM
Little by little, all the great lay-champions of Catholic traditionalism pass away, and there is nobody left to fill their shoes.

Men like Thomas A. Nelson are "doers."

Few are left today with the conviction to think something up, and then do it.

We used to have men and women like:

1.      Hamish Fraser (1986)
2.      Dietrich von Hildebrand (1977)
3.      Michael Davies (2004)
4.      Jean Madiran (2013)
5.      Paul Chaussee (2019)
6.      Gustavo Corcao (1978)
7.      Jean Ousset (1994)
8.      Louis Salleron (1992)
9.      John Senior (1999)
10.  Solange Hertz (2015)
11.  Arnaud de Lassus (2017)
12.  William Marra (1998)

Nobody seems willing or able to fill their shoes anymore.

Thomas A Nelson will become another loss, and his shoes likewise will not be filled.

We are vanishing from the world, and we deserve to.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Croixalist on January 13, 2020, 09:04:16 PM
I'd like to add John Vennari to that list! :incense:
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: poche on January 13, 2020, 10:32:48 PM
 :pray: :pray: :pray:
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Stubborn on January 14, 2020, 06:13:23 AM
 :pray:
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Quo vadis Domine on January 14, 2020, 06:18:57 AM
His great uncle and confirmation sponsor among many other things.
Thanks for the verification, he is in our prayers.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: NaomhAdhamhnan on January 14, 2020, 06:41:21 AM
Little by little, all the great lay-champions of Catholic traditionalism pass away, and there is nobody left to fill their shoes.

Men like Thomas A. Nelson are "doers."

Few are left today with the conviction to think something up, and then do it.

We used to have men and women like:

1.      Hamish Fraser (1986)
2.      Dietrich von Hildebrand (1977)
3.      Michael Davies (2004)
4.      Jean Madiran (2013)
5.      Paul Chaussee (2019)
6.      Gustavo Corcao (1978)
7.      Jean Ousset (1994)
8.      Louis Salleron (1992)
9.      John Senior (1999)
10.  Solange Hertz (2015)
11.  Arnaud de Lassus (2017)
12.  William Marra (1998)

Nobody seems willing or able to fill their shoes anymore.

Thomas A Nelson will become another loss, and his shoes likewise will not be filled.

We are vanishing from the world, and we deserve to.
I find this to be incredibly true. Kyrie eleison.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Matthew on January 14, 2020, 08:21:16 AM
From Bishop Williamson:


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I will offer Mass for him tomorrow, dead or alive, and if he is still alive, and can hear what is being said, then somebody may let him know that I am praying for him.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: StLouisIX on January 14, 2020, 09:41:01 AM
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Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Matthew on January 14, 2020, 12:25:22 PM
Little by little, all the great lay-champions of Catholic traditionalism pass away, and there is nobody left to fill their shoes.

Men like Thomas A. Nelson are "doers."

Few are left today with the conviction to think something up, and then do it.

Nobody seems willing or able to fill their shoes anymore.

Thomas A Nelson will become another loss, and his shoes likewise will not be filled.

We are vanishing from the world, and we deserve to.

With all due respect, 2020 is not 1967. It was a different time then.

Tom Nelson starts an independent chapel in the early 70's, and all faithful Traditional Catholics come to his chapel, creating a flourishing parish of sorts. 110 parishioners at its peak -- 2 Masses every Sunday.

Those who would become Pfeifferites if given a chance, those who would be SSPX if given a chance, those who lean Sedevacantist, those who would support Bishop Williamson and the Resistance if given a chance -- ALL OF THE ABOVE. They all came together and made a flourishing parish. 3 different kids' Catechism classes every Sunday, daily Mass, etc.

Today, Tom Nelson's grand-nephew starts an independent chapel, and almost 7 years later the parishioners still number in the low 20's -- counting his own family of 10. The SSPX is 45 minutes away, and most are content to stay there. Some Trads in the area are sedevacantist, home-aloner, and/or Pfeifferite, and so they stay aloof and never attend. There is an Indult Mass in both San Antonio AND Austin, which further sucks away a bunch of other would-be parishioners.

I should point out: Tom Nelson's own chapel went down to about 20 people once the Institute of Christ the King came to Rockford, IL in the mid-90's. The Conciliar Church gave them a nice beautiful (pre-Vatican II style) CHURCH -- not a chapel -- to use for the Tridentine Mass, located in the center of downtown. They fixed it up, sold pizza kits and put tens of thousands of dollars into stained glass, and basically they have been playing 1950's parish ("What Crisis in the Church?") for the past 25 years. They have their Latin Mass, an occasional pro-life Rosary or other pro-life action, and they're good. The Crisis is over, as far as that crowd is concerned.

I could say the same thing about a Catholic book publisher. eBooks and the Internet didn't exist back in 1967 when TAN Books was founded. There were no other Trad Catholic publishers: no Ignatius, Sophia, Lepanto, Angelus Press, or any others. TAN was it. There were no archive websites with hundreds of free public-domain Catholic books available for download in PDF or other ebook formats.

If I tried to create a TAN Books clone today, it wouldn't succeed.

Bishop Williamson tends to agree, which is why he hasn't started a "Society of St. Pius X II". Times have changed. 2020 is not 1970.

My point: history doesn't repeat itself. It rhymes, it shifts, it takes things to the next level -- but you'll never see things oscillate like an oscillator circuit, completely repeating the same thing over and over. It's always a little different this go-round.

When you grasp this basic point, you are very close to grasping the full truth about God, the world, and everything.

For example, in 1970, if a healthy man couldn't make a living he was probably lazy. But it turns out that there were 10X as many jobs open to high-school drop outs compared with 2020. And if you had a High School diploma, MOST jobs were open to you. So it would be a mistake to judge a young man today by 1970's standards. Again, times have changed and this must be taken into account.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Maria Regina on January 14, 2020, 12:40:28 PM
Most Holy Theotokos, save us.

Save and protect Tom Nelson.

O Most Holy Trinity, have mercy on us.
O Lord, blot out our sins.
O Master, pardon our iniquities.
O Most Holy One, come and visit our infirmities,
and save our souls, O Good One.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 14, 2020, 12:57:11 PM
With all due respect, 2020 is not 1967. It was a different time then.

Tom Nelson starts an independent chapel in the early 70's, and all faithful Traditional Catholics come to his chapel, creating a flourishing parish of sorts. 110 parishioners at its peak -- 2 Masses every Sunday.

Those who would become Pfeifferites if given a chance, those who would be SSPX if given a chance, those who lean Sedevacantist, those who would support Bishop Williamson and the Resistance if given a chance -- ALL OF THE ABOVE. They all came together and made a flourishing parish. 3 different kids' Catechism classes every Sunday, daily Mass, etc.

Today, Tom Nelson's grand-nephew starts an independent chapel, and almost 7 years later the parishioners still number in the low 20's -- counting his own family of 10. The SSPX is 45 minutes away, and most are content to stay there. Some Trads in the area are sedevacantist, home-aloner, and/or Pfeifferite, and so they stay aloof and never attend. There is an Indult Mass in both San Antonio AND Austin, which further sucks away a bunch of other would-be parishioners.

I should point out: Tom Nelson's own chapel went down to about 20 people once the Institute of Christ the King came to Rockford, IL in the mid-90's. The Conciliar Church gave them a nice beautiful (pre-Vatican II style) CHURCH -- not a chapel -- to use for the Tridentine Mass, located in the center of downtown. They fixed it up, sold pizza kits and put tens of thousands of dollars into stained glass, and basically they have been playing 1950's parish ("What Crisis in the Church?") for the past 25 years. They have their Latin Mass, an occasional pro-life Rosary or other pro-life action, and they're good. The Crisis is over, as far as that crowd is concerned.

I could say the same thing about a Catholic book publisher. eBooks and the Internet didn't exist back in 1967 when TAN Books was founded. There were no other Trad Catholic publishers: no Ignatius, Sophia, Lepanto, Angelus Press, or any others. TAN was it. There were no archive websites with hundreds of free public-domain Catholic books available for download in PDF or other ebook formats.

If I tried to create a TAN Books clone today, it wouldn't succeed.

Bishop Williamson tends to agree, which is why he hasn't started a "Society of St. Pius X II". Times have changed. 2020 is not 1970.

My point: history doesn't repeat itself. It rhymes, it shifts, it takes things to the next level -- but you'll never see things oscillate like an oscillator circuit, completely repeating the same thing over and over. It's always a little different this go-round.

When you grasp this basic point, you are very close to grasping the full truth about God, the world, and everything.

For example, in 1970, if a healthy man couldn't make a living he was probably lazy. But it turns out that there were 10X as many jobs open to high-school drop outs compared with 2020. And if you had a High School diploma, MOST jobs were open to you. So it would be a mistake to judge a young man today by 1970's standards. Again, times have changed and this must be taken into account.

This response, addressed to me, does not actually address any points I raised.

You seem to be addressing the idea that trad initiatives of 2020 are not meeting with the same success they met with in 1967.

But what I am noting is the absence of trad initiatives altogether (successful or unsuccessful).

Between worldliness and fatalism, they produce a malaise which makes one contented with the status quo (or a resignation to make the best of the situation), and the result is apathy.

People are sitting on their couches, playing on Cathinfo, hoping someone else will step up (if they even hope this any longer), but they do nothing, good or bad.

The lukewarm 98% have been vomited, and it doesn’t seem so bad after all.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Matthew on January 14, 2020, 01:04:35 PM
I disagree that we should waste our time and resources on venture(s) that aren't prudent, or doomed-to-fail.

Anyone, Catholic or not, should do at least rough calculations on the back of an envelope to make sure an idea COULD WORK or not. When you can't make the numbers work, by an order of magnitude (10x) or more, you don't undertake the venture.

Luke chapter 14:
[28] (http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=14&l=28-#x) For which of you having a mind to build a tower, doth not first sit down, and reckon the charges that are necessary, whether he have wherewithal to finish it: (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=14&l=28-28&q=1#x) [29] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=14&l=29-#x) Lest, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that see it begin to mock him, [30] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=14&l=30-#x) Saying: This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 14, 2020, 01:16:46 PM
I disagree that we should waste our time and resources on venture(s) that aren't prudent, or doomed-to-fail.

Anyone, Catholic or not, should do at least rough calculations on the back of an envelope to make sure an idea COULD WORK or not. When you can't make the numbers work, by an order of magnitude (10x) or more, you don't undertake the venture.

Luke chapter 14:
[28] (http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=14&l=28-#x) For which of you having a mind to build a tower, doth not first sit down, and reckon the charges that are necessary, whether he have wherewithal to finish it: (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=14&l=28-28&q=1#x) [29] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=14&l=29-#x) Lest, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that see it begin to mock him, [30] (http://drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=49&ch=14&l=30-#x) Saying: This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

Where did I suggest that we should waste time and money on imprudent ventures?

Are you suggesting Resistance Catholic Action (of whatever sort) is a priori an imprudent waste?
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Ladislaus on January 14, 2020, 01:21:28 PM
Where did I suggest that we should waste time and money on imprudent ventures?

Are you suggesting Resistance Catholic Action (of whatever sort) is a priori an imprudent waste?

Well, most of those on your list became prominent as a result of writing and publishing books or newspapers, so I think that the reference is to a similar type of venture.  You can't survive as a physical book (or newspaper/newsletter) publisher anymore.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 14, 2020, 01:31:22 PM
Well, most of those on your list became prominent as a result of writing and publishing books or newspapers, so I think that the reference is to a similar type of venture.  You can't survive as a physical book (or newspaper/newsletter) publisher anymore.

Understood.

But surely, there are productive channels for Vatholic Action in 2020?

Surely Catholic Action itself has not become obsolete?

And surely the success or failure of Catholic Action is not to be judged solely in terms of profitability?

I recall TAN Books being in and out of bankruptcy more than once.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Matthew on January 14, 2020, 02:13:45 PM
Yes, God judges based on effort, not results.

That having been said, action AND results are better. Or at least acting with the *hope* of results.

Let me put it another way.

The devil might have tried everything to stop it, but a missile (full of speed/fervor/destructive potential) is racing towards his HQ with devastating potential.
What will he try to do now? He will at least try to redirect it, so that it deals a minimal amount of damage to his kingdom. He will try to steer it off course so that it lands in an empty field.

The devil's first choice, of course, would be that we turn out wicked, apathetic, etc. so the missile never gets built, or explodes on the launchpad. But once it is fully manufactured (becomes a strong, fervent Catholic) and is launched, and all his anti-missile defenses fail to shoot it down, what else can the devil possibly do? He can only throw it off course.

Enter Prudence, the queen of all virtues.

I have made the same superficial observation as you. But recall the famous episode from the lives of the saints (I forgot which one), where God revealed that the holiest person was some pious old married lady. Keep in mind that marriage is not considered the highest vocation, or the quickest way to serve God most perfectly! The holiest person wasn't one of the priests, or one of the religious sisters who were plentiful in the area. The answer to the question was a *complete nobody* serving God, to a near-perfect degree, in complete obscurity.

Just perhaps it is as heroic today to (oh, I don't know) start a Catholic family with the willingness to accept all the children God sends, in a modern-day Sodom where keeping one's children unspotted from this world, and having lots of children, are the only "sins" left to condemn. One's very life would be a constant sermon of contradiction with the world. Such a course would seem to require all sorts of virtues: fortitude, hard work, trust in God, charity, prudence, humility, you name it.

Who, besides God, can step in and prove otherwise?
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Matthew on January 14, 2020, 02:20:06 PM
Understood.

But surely, there are productive channels for Vatholic Action in 2020?

Surely Catholic Action itself has not become obsolete?

And surely the success or failure of Catholic Action is not to be judged solely in terms of profitability?

I recall TAN Books being in and out of bankruptcy more than once.
The question is, where are we at today in 2020.
Are we down to a small remnant of soldiers, outnumbered 10,000 to 1?
If so, our prudent course of action is going to be DIFFERENT than what we would do if both sides were equally matched.
You can't criticize 100 soldiers holed up in the Alamo, waging a valiant defense, for failing to conquer Texas and all of Mexico!
At a certain point, songs will be sung about you *if you manage to survive* or even just put up a valiant defense.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: 2Vermont on January 14, 2020, 03:31:54 PM
I will pray.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Pax Vobis on January 14, 2020, 03:49:59 PM
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But surely, there are productive channels for Catholic Action in 2020?
Surely there are.  But, as Matthew pointed out, the times are different now than in the 70s.  In the 70s, the audience for Catholic Action were the millions of good novus ordo-ites who were confused with V2, many of whom were open to the Truth.  Today, with the growth of the indult and the growing-modernization of the new-sspx, most people have "chosen sides" and are content (i.e. this is the 98% who are apathetic). 
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So, who is the audience in 2020?  Either the 98% of apathy or the 2% who passionately care about the Faith.  For me, i'd rather deal with the 2% and help those people be strong catholics, and to help them raise their families.  If done correctly, in a few decades that 2% will turn into 10% of strong catholics (maybe more). 
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There is also the possibility of reaching out to conservative protestants (25 yrs and less) who are converting to the novus ordo at very increased levels. 
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Or there's the possibility of simply looking for the "2%" at your local chapel and helping there.  A lot of Catholic Action is going on, but it may not be publicized.  Not all Catholic Action is externally focused (i.e. websites, newspapers, book writing).  With the dwindling population of many chapels, with the future aging of the baby boomer generations, taking care of one's chapel is going to require more time/money in the near future.  Sometimes simply cleaning your chapel or mowing the grass, or helping the school is what's required nowadays. 
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: MaterDominici on January 15, 2020, 01:03:18 AM
How broad are you looking for your "doers"? I see a good number of Catholic "doers" out there. Are you excluding everyone who isn't Resistance?

Tom Nelson himself had to cater a bit toward the larger audience of NO attendees rather than the more limited group of TLM attendees. He was criticized for putting notes in his books where Church rules had changed post-VII.


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(5000th post -- certainly there should be a prize or something for that, right?)
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Maria Regina on January 15, 2020, 02:58:43 AM
How broad are you looking for your "doers"? I see a good number of Catholic "doers" out there. Are you excluding everyone who isn't Resistance?

Tom Nelson himself had to cater a bit toward the larger audience of NO attendees rather than the more limited group of TLM attendees. He was criticized for putting notes in his books where Church rules had changed post-VII.


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(5000th post -- certainly there should be a prize or something for that, right?)
You should rise to the level of HERO on your 6000th post.

Can Mods be heros?

By the way, how is Mr. Nelson doing? In the eyes of many, he is a hero.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Ladislaus on January 15, 2020, 05:27:03 AM
(5000th post -- certainly there should be a prize or something for that, right?)

poche has over 15,000.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 15, 2020, 07:48:16 AM
How broad are you looking for your "doers"? I see a good number of Catholic "doers" out there. Are you excluding everyone who isn't Resistance?

Tom Nelson himself had to cater a bit toward the larger audience of NO attendees rather than the more limited group of TLM attendees. He was criticized for putting notes in his books where Church rules had changed post-VII.


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(5000th post -- certainly there should be a prize or something for that, right?)

Yes, I have no interest in tradcumenism or tradpluralism (liberalism).

If I did, I would just content myself with the SSPX, and float merrily down the stream.

I’m looking for Resistance doers.

Do you know any?
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Matthew on January 15, 2020, 08:17:32 AM
Yes, I have no interest in tradcumenism or tradpluralism (liberalism).

If I did, I would just content myself with the SSPX, and float merrily down the stream.

I’m looking for Resistance doers.

Do you know any?

Those in the Resistance are lucky to find a place to attend Mass once a month. And they are a very small remnant. What do you exact them to "do" exactly, besides survive and keep their children Catholic?

Maybe all their free time is used up because going to Mass on Sunday takes so much longer (either because they have a long one-way trip to Mass, or they are hosting the Mass and it's a several day preparation/cleaning event)

My wife pointed out that all of the "doers" you listed were authors. Not just wordsmiths, but old-fashioned BOOK and MAGAZINE authors. A bit biased there, Mr. twice-published author? ;)

But as for books and magazines -- this is 2020. Ask Hugh Akins how well the magazine business is doing. Mail order, catalogs, magazines, newspapers, phonebooks -- I consider those things all quaint reminders of my childhood in the 80's. But they are, frankly, all obsolete today. And books are going that way very quickly. I am selling very few Chant CDs these days as well. People want downloadable MP3s now.

If Michael Davies had been born in 1990, I think he would have started a blog or vblog instead of writing books like he did in this universe. How else do you reach the majority of people today? People don't buy books anymore.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Matthew on January 15, 2020, 08:22:36 AM
Yes, I have no interest in tradcumenism or tradpluralism (liberalism).

If I did, I would just content myself with the SSPX, and float merrily down the stream.

We are talking about two different things. Personally, I have a strong conviction that the Resistance is the best position. I don't float around between chapels, or consider that "one is as good as another". Now I can't compel the conscience of others, because I don't have the authority -- but that's another question altogether.

But when I sell Chant CDs, I'm happy to sell them to anyone who appreciates Gregorian Chant, and yes that includes Novus Ordo Catholics. There is NOTHING wrong with that.

I would be foolish to tweak my marketing to appeal ONLY to Resistance and sedevacantist Trads. Why would I do that? Chant is chant.

If I compromised, selling Chant in English for example, that would be a different story. But I don't. 

The same goes for Catholic books. Novus Ordo Catholics need to read "Intro to the Devout Life" by St. Francis de Sales every bit as much as the most well-educated, Crisis-aware Trad.

Tom Nelson did almost nothing to get those extra Novus Ordo sales -- which probably amounted to 75%+ of his business income.

And by the way -- a good case could be made that Tom did the right thing by mentioning where the Church discipline changed. The SSPX deals with this all the time. They used to recommend that you fast on Ember days (and promote such), but they DID have to admit and point out that it's not binding under pain of mortal sin any longer. I think that's important.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 15, 2020, 08:37:16 AM
We are talking about two different things. Personally, I have a strong conviction that the Resistance is the best position. I don't float around between chapels, or consider that "one is as good as another". Now I can't compel the conscience of others, because I don't have the authority -- but that's another question altogether.

But when I sell Chant CDs, I'm happy to sell them to anyone who appreciates Gregorian Chant, and yes that includes Novus Ordo Catholics. There is NOTHING wrong with that.

I would be foolish to tweak my marketing to appeal ONLY to Resistance and sedevacantist Trads. Why would I do that? Chant is chant.

If I compromised, selling Chant in English for example, that would be a different story. But I don't.

The same goes for Catholic books. Novus Ordo Catholics need to read "Intro to the Devout Life" by St. Francis de Sales every bit as much as the most well-educated, Crisis-aware Trad.

Tom Nelson did almost nothing to get those extra Novus Ordo sales -- which probably amounted to 75%+ of his business income.

And by the way -- a good case could be made that Tom did the right thing by mentioning where the Church discipline changed. The SSPX deals with this all the time. They used to recommend that you fast on Ember days (and promote such), but they DID have to admit and point out that it's not binding under pain of mortal sin any longer. I think that's important.
Can you point me toward some English-language Resistance blogs?
I am aware of Tradcatresist.
After that....
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: SeanJohnson on January 15, 2020, 08:39:51 AM
We are talking about two different things. Personally, I have a strong conviction that the Resistance is the best position. I don't float around between chapels, or consider that "one is as good as another". Now I can't compel the conscience of others, because I don't have the authority -- but that's another question altogether.

But when I sell Chant CDs, I'm happy to sell them to anyone who appreciates Gregorian Chant, and yes that includes Novus Ordo Catholics. There is NOTHING wrong with that.

I would be foolish to tweak my marketing to appeal ONLY to Resistance and sedevacantist Trads. Why would I do that? Chant is chant.

If I compromised, selling Chant in English for example, that would be a different story. But I don't.

The same goes for Catholic books. Novus Ordo Catholics need to read "Intro to the Devout Life" by St. Francis de Sales every bit as much as the most well-educated, Crisis-aware Trad.

Tom Nelson did almost nothing to get those extra Novus Ordo sales -- which probably amounted to 75%+ of his business income.

And by the way -- a good case could be made that Tom did the right thing by mentioning where the Church discipline changed. The SSPX deals with this all the time. They used to recommend that you fast on Ember days (and promote such), but they DID have to admit and point out that it's not binding under pain of mortal sin any longer. I think that's important.
Selling chant CDs is agnostic, and rightly so.
It is not a Resistance apostolate.
I’d sell chant CDs to Buddhists.
But selling chant CDs doesn’t help the Resistance (the only group I’m interested in promoting).

Ps: Toms business was publishing traditional Catholic books.  My business is promoting the Resistance, and I can count on one hand those in the English-language doing anything similar.

PPs: I have 7 kids, wife, job, long drive to Mass, etc.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Matthew on January 15, 2020, 10:49:30 AM
So you're talking about specifically pro-Resistance Catholic action. As my wife pointed out, that's not the same as Catholic Action. The two are not the same thing simpliciter.  

In other words,

1. You could have little to no Resistance-specific Catholic action going on, and still have quite a bit of Catholic action or helping/building up the Church in general.
2. Everything "generic" like Gregorian chant, general Catholic books, chapel veils, Catholic apologetics, even pro-life action is a sub-set of the Resistance.
Picture a circle labeled "Catholic" and a slightly larger circle around it that is labeled "Resistance". What you want is stuff in between those 2 circles. But everything inside the smaller circle is ALSO inside the larger circle, so...

In fact, inside the "Catholic" circle would be a smaller circle labeled "natural law" which would include pro-life work, political action, etc.

My next question is, what exactly needs to be done? Generally an apostolate or life-work is going to meet some need.

Considering there is a huge priest shortage, and by extension a shortage of Resistance or independent chapels across the United States (many Catholics can't get to one, even with a 15 hour drive!) that would seem to be a much more pressing need. What specifically pro-Resistance great works of action (public, outside the home) are these isolated Resistance Catholics supposed to engage in, considering they have no fellow parishioners and not even a place to attend Mass on Sunday?

What can a single individual do for "Resistance-promoting Catholic action", aside from hold up a cardboard sign at a busy intersection? Everyone would just assume he's homeless and/or crazy.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: XavierSem on January 15, 2020, 10:54:44 AM
May God rest good Mr. Thomas Nelson, founder of TAN Books. Requiescat in pace. 

Sean asked: "Can you point me toward some English-language Resistance blogs?"

What about right here, Cathinfo. Granted, it's a forum, not a blog. But same difference. 
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Matthew on January 15, 2020, 10:57:05 AM
May God rest good Mr. Thomas Nelson, founder of TAN Books. Requiescat in pace.

Sean asked: "Can you point me toward some English-language Resistance blogs?"

What about right here, Cathinfo. Granted, it's a forum, not a blog. But same difference.

Whoah Nellie...
Source?
Has he died yet? I haven't heard that.
Do you read all threads and treat all matters so superficially? ;)

Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: XavierSem on January 15, 2020, 11:01:43 AM
My Mistake. Apologies. Read the part about last rites and got myself confused. Prayers for him. 
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Maria Regina on January 15, 2020, 12:30:34 PM
Matthew, please keep us updated. Know that I am praying for your grand-uncle. Lord have mercy.

In the meantime, I hope he is not in hospice care as in California, it is planned euthanasia with increasing amounts of morphine until the person dies. My mom died a horrific death since she reacted to morphine, but that did not stop the nurses. The conditions were inhumane. I would not wish that on anyone.

Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Pozzo on January 15, 2020, 07:49:46 PM
He has my prayers!
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: JezusDeKoning on January 30, 2020, 10:30:35 PM
Matthew, do you have any updates? Thanks and God bless.
Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Matthew on January 31, 2020, 02:26:09 PM
I just asked for an update from my family up north, and got this:


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1/31/20
Last I heard (a couple of weeks ago) was that he
was paralyzed on one side, his speech was slurred,
he can't swallow.  An SSPX priest came when he
was first admitted and gave him the last rites. Then
N. said a Rosary and Tom joined in on
about the 4th decade.  M. called up there
about a week ago and they won't give out any info...
just say that he is there.

That's the last I heard. 

Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Matthew on February 04, 2020, 02:09:26 PM
 
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Quote ''The patient is in St. Anne's Center now. He's quite debilitated physically, and it's not clear how his recovery will develop.
 In some ways his mind is very sharp. He seems to derive consolation from the fact that people are praying for him."

Title: Re: Please pray for Tom Nelson
Post by: Maria Regina on February 04, 2020, 03:28:24 PM

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 ''The patient is in St. Anne's Center now. He's quite debilitated physically, and it's not clear how his recovery will develop.
 In some ways his mind is very sharp. He seems to derive consolation from the fact that people are praying for him."

Lord have mercy on Tom, healing him and granting him salvation.