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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: Nylndech on April 29, 2012, 10:49:50 AM
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Please pray a chaplet of the Rosary every day for the specific purpose of obtaining a peaceful end to abortion.
Please also convince two others to do the same, and have them each find two more people in turn, and so on.
I tried doing this in my parish but it died when the priest was reassigned and never caught on after that.
I would like to see what happens when this gets going.
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Someone marked my post favorably.
If no one is doing this I would like to know why.
If this is a bad idea, then tell me.
I can't read minds, even on the Internet.
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What is considered a "chaplet" of the Rosary? Is that just one decade? Five decades?
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Five decades is one chaplet.
It is commonly misunderstood that five decades is an entire Rosary, but to pray an entire Rosary actually is to pray all fifteen decades.
I do not know what you would call praying all fifteen decades plus Pope John Paul II's Luminous invention.
Praying the whole Rosary each day is not a bad habit, and a person should work up to that.
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Five decades is one chaplet.
It is commonly misunderstood that five decades is an entire Rosary, but to pray an entire Rosary actually is to pray all fifteen decades.
I do not know what you would call praying all fifteen decades plus Pope John Paul II's Luminous invention.
Praying the whole Rosary each day is not a bad habit, and a person should work up to that.
Do you pray the luminous "mysteries"? I think what you are proposing is a very good and worthy intention though I think many people people on this forum, myself included, don't think much of the luminous "mysteries".
The Rosary is the 15 decades that Our Lady gave to St. Dominic and does not include this.
By the way I pray everyday for an end to abortion and the conversion of all those involved in this evil.
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Please pray a chaplet of the Rosary every day for the specific purpose of obtaining a peaceful end to abortion.
Please also convince two others to do the same, and have them each find two more people in turn, and so on.
I tried doing this in my parish but it died when the priest was reassigned and never caught on after that.
I would like to see what happens when this gets going.
I am confused by this post.
I attend a traditional chapel and all of the people I know pray a Rosary every day.
I have not had to "convince" anyone to pray their Rosary. We also pray a Rosary every Sunday before Mass.
I also saw in your other post a mention about the "Luminous Mysteries."
Are you in a Novus Ordo Parish? Do many people at your parish pray the Rosary? Is your priest for some reason opposed to the Rosary? Do you pray the "Luminous Mysteries?"
Because of time restraints, I will respond in this way:
I am a traditional Catholic. Our family prays a Rosary every day for different intentions and always for the end of abortion.
Everyone I know who is traditional Catholic also prays a Rosary every day to end abortion, among other things.
When I was a NO Catholic I did not even know how to pray the Rosary because it was not suggested to do so nor was I instructed on how to do it.
When I was a NO Catholic, I knew very few people who prayed the Rosary.
The NO parish I attended at the time prayed one decade of the Rosary for "all people to come to respect life," whatever that means.
I don't know any traditional Catholic who would pray the "Luminous Mysteries."
I have learned that their are very, very many differences in the personal lives of traditional Catholics and Novus Ordo Catholics. Only one of these is devotion to the Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary.
I know first hand what "gets going" when people pray the Rosary.
I would like to see what "gets going" when Catholics return to tradition.
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Judging posts by reading only what catches ones eye is
Was pretty clear in calling the Luminous mysteries an invention of John Paul II.
Clearly described full Rosary as fifteen, not twenty, decades.
Point of effort is to increase devotion to Rosary and to end abortion peacefully.
If doesn't pray Rosary daily already, pray daily for ending abortion.
If prays Rosary daily already, then add extra five decades per day for specific purpose.
In either case, then have convince two more to do same.
Can't be more clear.
Quick to attribute and accuse Norvus Ordoism, slow to comprehend.
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No offense, but do you attend a "post-Vatican II" church, also known as the novus ordo or perhaps as the "Ordinary Form"?
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Irrelevant.
Are you enemy of Mary yes/no.
Excuse for not contributing to thread?
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"Efficient short sentences".
Last time I looked a sentence requires a subject and a predicate. Two adjectives and a noun do not a sentence make.
"Helps prevent lack of charity".
No, you are encouraging a moment of irritation and confusion.
"Yes/no"?
A resounding "NO"
"I know how to write".
We could just take your word for it, I guess.
"Experimental post style".
Experiment has failed. Let us move on to something else.
"Thank you".
No, no, thank you.
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Too pleased to criticize and condemn.
So pleased that purpose of thread is forgotten.
More fun to tell others about why you don't like what/how they do?
Yes/no?
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Do you attend a Novus Ordo Church?
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Thread is about A.
Discussion is about B.
Don't understand why.
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Judging posts by reading only what catches ones eye is
Was pretty clear in calling the Luminous mysteries an invention of John Paul II.
Clearly described full Rosary as fifteen, not twenty, decades.
Point of effort is to increase devotion to Rosary and to end abortion peacefully.
If doesn't pray Rosary daily already, pray daily for ending abortion.
If prays Rosary daily already, then add extra five decades per day for specific purpose.
In either case, then have convince two more to do same.
Can't be more clear.
Quick to attribute and accuse Norvus Ordoism, slow to comprehend.
You do realize that there are several Catholic "Chaplets" that have nothing whatsoever to do with the Holy Rosary , correct? You can find the various Chaplet devotions with a little research.
The Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary is based on the Marian Psalter - Which came originally from the Psalter a Christian Practise - which came from the Priests of Our Lord praying the Psalms of King David which came from the Practise of the Levitical Priests praying the Psalms of King David since the time of King David.
When ever I hear anyone talk about the so called "lumenous mysteries" I cringe.
Unles there are 50 more Psalms of King David that no one knows about - then there likewise is no such thing as the lumenous mysteries.
The Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary was given to the Church in its form by the Blessed Virgin Mary. It ended the Albingensian Heresy and in addition there have been some of the Greatest Miracles in Christendom attributed to the Holy Rosary. (Lepanto comes to mind)
Merely praying a Minimum of 5 decades - if everyone would do that and add the Fatima Prayers all of our catholic goals will be realized.
I would be in favor of convincing people to pray 5 decades of the holy Rosary. If we can get two people to do that alone - your goal will be realized.
The fact that this heresy has not been dispelled tells me that Catholics today have not been doing the minimum. They have not been praying 5 Decades of the the Holy Rosary every day as a minimum. Praying more than 5 Decades is only that much better. Praying a Full 15 Decades - even Better Still. Praying more than 15 - Better Still. The more we Pray - the sooner this will end. Our Blessed Mother has already told us what we must do.
If we as Catholics want to see profound changes in the Church and the Heresy of Modernism end - we do not need to do more than to get every Catholic Family to pray at LEAST 5 Decades of the Holy Rosary Every day as a Family.
It isnt being done. Its that plain and simple.
When we all pray as a Family - The Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary in the manner prescribed and in it ask that Abortion end in addition to the Heresy of Modernism (Which will end things like abortion as well because it ends) then we can expect to see change.
Spread devotion to the Holy Rosary. If we could eventually get All Catholics Praying 15 decades Daily we would have our Church Restored.
"Give me an army praying the Holy Rosary and I will conquer the world." -Pope Pius IX
"Nevertheless, if men in our century, with its derisive pride, reject the holy Rosary, there is an innumerable multitude of holy men of every age and every condition who have always held it dear. They have recited it with great devotion, and in every moment they have used it as a powerful weapon to put the demons to flight, to preserve the integrity of life, to acquire virtue more easily, and, in a word, to attain real peace among men." -Pope Pius XI
"The Rosary is a powerful weapon to put the demons to flight and to keep oneself from sin... It not only serves admirably to overcome the enemies of God and of religion, but it is also a stimulus and an encouragement to the practice of the evangelical virtues, which it develops and cultivates in our souls. Above all, it nourishes our Catholic Faith...If you desire peace in your hearts, in your homes, and in your country, assemble each evening to recite the Rosary. Let not even one day pass without saying it, no matter how burdened you may be with many cares and labors." -Pope Pius XI
I say we need to have a Rosary Campaign. We need to insure that every member of our Parish Prays the Holy Rosary. Perhaps we can organize a Daily Lay Public Parish Rosary before the Blessed Sacrament.
Yes - by all means lets do so. And by organising that - we will see first hand how dedicated we as Catholics are in ridding ourselves of Modernism.
Pax
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Thread is about A.
Discussion is about B.
Don't understand why.
Humor me.
Do you attend a Novus Ordo Church?
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Once again.
Luminous mysteries are invention of John Paul II.
Mary gave fifteen mysteries, not twenty.
Convince people to pray five decades a day specifically for peaceful end to abortion.
Then convince those people to find two more people each to do the same, and so on.
Three sets of five mysteries: Joyful, Sorrowful, Glorious.
If already pray the Rosary daily: good, but still add five more daily specifically for ending abortion.
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Once again.
Luminous mysteries are invention of John Paul II.
Mary gave fifteen mysteries, not twenty.
Convince people to pray five decades a day specifically for peaceful end to abortion.
Then convince those people to find two more people each to do the same, and so on.
Three sets of five mysteries: Joyful, Sorrowful, Glorious.
If already pray the Rosary daily: good, but still add five more daily specifically for ending abortion.
We get the whole "I wanna go to a trad forum and get a rosary campaign going" but do you attend a Novus Ordo Church...
...or not?
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Once again.
Luminous mysteries are invention of John Paul II.
Mary gave fifteen mysteries, not twenty.
Convince people to pray five decades a day specifically for peaceful end to abortion.
Then convince those people to find two more people each to do the same, and so on.
Three sets of five mysteries: Joyful, Sorrowful, Glorious.
If already pray the Rosary daily: good, but still add five more daily specifically for ending abortion.
The Blessed Virgin Mary's Plan at Fatima
1. Penance
This means that all people must amend their lives, give up their easy lives of sin, ask pardon for their sins, receive the Sacrament of Penance, say some extra prayers for the conversion of sinners, and make reparation to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and to the Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, so grievously offended by the sins of mankind.
2. Reparation
This means:
1) offering up your daily tasks as a sacrifice in reparation to atone for our sins;
2) fulfilling our daily duties and responsibilities to the best of our abilities;
3) accepting the responsibilities of our state in life;
4) obeying the Ten Commandments of God.
3. Daily Recitation of the Holy Rosary
of the Blessed Virgin Mary adding the Prayer : "Oh My Jesus Forgive us our sins , save us from the fires of Hell - lead all souls to Heaven especially those who have most need of thy mercy " after each decade.
Pray the Joyful on Mondays and Thursdays - Sorrowful on Tuesdays and Fridays Glorious on Wednesday and Saturday and on Sunday The Joyful from Advent Through Epiphany - Sorrowful until Holy Week and Glorious every other Sunday.
(This is the 5 decade Rosary.
The full 15 decade Rosary is not a requirement, but may be said from personal devotion.)
The Rosary is like a sword or a weapon which the Holy Theotokos, the Mother of God, the Queen of the Most Holy Rosary, can use to cut down heresy and the forces of evil. It is most powerful and many times it has saved the world from situations as bad as, if not worse than, the ones facing us today.
By the devout recitation of the Holy Rosary, the Queen of the Holy Rosary has obtained a number of famous victories, e.g. at the Battle of Lepanto in 1571 A.D. when she was victorious over the Mohammadans, a.k.a. Moslem terrorists, a.k.a. Islamic terrorists, who were once more invading Western Europe and trying to conquer all of Western Eurpope on which to impose their blood-thirsty religion of paganism!
4. Consecration to
the Immaculate Heart of Mary
The first part consists in continually wearing the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel (except for bathing or showering or swimming). The cloth is preferred and should always be worn over the shoulders because it is the miniature form of the full habit-size Brown Scapular traditionally worn by the members of the Carmelite Order.
The second part consists in the recitation, on these same Five Consecutive First Saturdays, of an Act of Personal Consecration to the Heart of Mary. For your convenience, We offer you the following Consecration:
Personal Consecration
to the Sorrowful and
Immaculate Heart of Mary
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, dwelling pure and holy, cover my soul with thy maternal protection so that being ever faithful to the voice of Jesus, it responds to His love and obeys His Divine Will. I wish, O my Mother, to keep unceasingly before me thy co-redemption in order to live intimately with thy Heart which is totally united to the Heart of thy Divine Son. Fasten me to this Heart by thy own virtues and sorrows. Protect me always. Amen.
5. Making the Five First Saturdays
This devotion consists in:
1. Receiving the Sacrament of Penance within 8 days before or after receiving the Holy Eucharist on Five Consecutive First Saturdays.
2. Receiving the Sacrament of the Holy Eucharist on these same Five Consecutive First Saturdays.
3. Saying 5 decades of the Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary on these same Five Consecutive First Saturdays.
4. Meditating for 15 minutes with Our Lady on the mysteries of the Holy Rosary on these same Five Consecutive First Saturdays.
A sermon of whatever length can take the place of this meditation on either one or all of these same Five Consecutive First Saturdays.
The Blessed Virgin Mary performed the Miracle of the Sun and the Apparition at Fatima has the Approval of Holy Mother the Church well before Vatican II.
We do not need more formulas - we need ALL CATHOLICS to get on the same page and to do as Our Blessed Mother Instructed us to do.
If we think we know better - then let me see the Miracle you can perform - failing that - I am going to stick to the Blessed Virgin Mary's Plan and to encourage more Catholics to do the same. Until we all swallow our Pride and learn to Obey Our Blessed Mother instead of trying to reinvent the wheel - we can expect more division - more abortion - more Heresy and more destruction of Our Precious Catholic Faith.
Pax
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Big laundry list intimidates people.
Better to encourage people to small tasks with clear goals and increase from there.
Then they can be more easily encouraged to become consecrated and attend First Saturdays once simpler steps become routine.
Noah didn't buy the ark from a marina, he built one plank at a time.
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Big laundry list intimidates people.
Better to encourage people to small tasks with clear goals and increase from there.
Then they can be more easily encouraged to become consecrated and attend First Saturdays once simpler steps become routine.
Noah didn't buy the ark from a marina, he built one plank at a time.
Noah , Obeyed GOD. The Blessed Virgin Mary represented GOD at Fatima and performed a miracle to prove she represented GOD.
If you claim you know better - then lets see a miracle to prove your message comes from GOD
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Big laundry list intimidates people.
Better to encourage people to small tasks with clear goals and increase from there.
Then they can be more easily encouraged to become consecrated and attend First Saturdays once simpler steps become routine.
Noah didn't buy the ark from a marina, he built one plank at a time.
So start with answering my question.
We'll consider that a good "first plank" and a act of good faith on your part.
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Not claiming to be God.
Not sure how many people would go from zero to big shot mister spirituality on a whim and maintain it.
Better to ask someone to apply some simple routine and then later invite them to add upon it.
Otherwise they get burned out, then anticipation of future repeat of failure makes harder to start over later.
Is trial over or does high priest have more questions for me?
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Is anybody other than me becoming annoyed by NyIndech's posting style and refusal to answer simple questions?
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Hiding posts doesn't help.
Can't petition moderator.
Wonder when my trial ends.
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Not claiming to be God.
Not sure how many people would go from zero to big shot mister spirituality on a whim and maintain it.
Better to ask someone to apply some simple routine and then later invite them to add upon it.
Otherwise they get burned out, then anticipation of future repeat of failure makes harder to start over later.
Is trial over or does high priest have more questions for me?
Lets see........
1) a) The ones that want to save their souls and the souls of others? b) the ones who persevere as in (the perseverance of the just) c) Those whom the Grace of GOD inspires because of their effort.
2) Someone as in you or as in the Blessed Virgin?
3) Funny - not many Catholics who have been going to recieve the Holy Sacraments
and the Tridentine Latin Mass have gotten "burned out". The Traditional Movement is growing leaps and bounds. The Novus Ordo on the other hand is a failure and people get burned out on novelty so that a new novelty needs to be constantly introduced until they get burned out on that one.
4) Following the Blessed Virgin as Laity doesnt make one a Priest - but tewlling others what to do seemingly does - kind of like what you have been doing with your instructions - why if I didnt Know any better , I would think you a priestess
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Is anybody other than me becoming annoyed by NyIndech's posting style and refusal to answer simple questions?
One of the Novelty things the Novus Ordo now do lately is to advocate we Pray a couple Joyful a couple Sorrowful and a couple Glorious.
When you hear that - you know its a Novus ordo
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Hiding posts doesn't help.
Can't petition moderator.
Wonder when my trial ends.
Example : Three sets of five mysteries: Joyful, Sorrowful, Glorious.
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Swallow the camel and strain the gnat.
All that was asked is to pray an extra Rosary a day to end abortion, then find two more who would do the same thing.
Edit: three sets of five mysteries is fifteen mysteries.
Novus Ordo witch hunt in progress?
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Swallow the camel and strain the gnat.
All that was asked is to pray an extra Rosary a day to end abortion, then find two more who would do the same thing.
Edit: three sets of five mysteries is fifteen mysteries.
Novus Ordo witch hunt in progress?
Then why didnt you just say that.
Here is the Thing , the Novus Ordo introduced the Lumenous Mysteries in an affort to sidetrack Catholics into not fulfilling Our Lady's Request at Fatima.
My wife just recently went to a Funeral and they only prayed One Joyful One sorrowful and One Glorious Mystery at the ROSARY for the Repose of His soul !!!
In addition they planned on Cremation !!!!
No - the only witch hunt around here is the Novus Ordo being on a witch hunt to destroy all vestiges of Catholicism and of fulfilling Our Blessed Mothers request at Fatima.
If Catholics want to see change and the Novus Ordo go away - they listen to Our Blessed Mother at Fatima and comply.
We dont need Novus Ordos to reinvent the wheel.
We need Catholics to be Catholic and to Pray the Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary in the Manner prescribed to us BY HER.
Not from some modern day seer who thin ks they know better than the mother of GOD.
Unlike you - I dont ask people to listen to me.
Only to listen to the Mother of GOD in a Apparition approved by Holy Mother the Church.
Therein lies the entire difference.
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I am not Novus Ordo.
I never advocated the Luminous Mysteries.
I never advocated some "New Age" method of praying the Rosary.
I never said anything to contradict Mary's Fatima instructions.
The only mortals in this world who fear the Rosary are the people of the culture of death.
Perhaps you are one of them?
You only seek to cause confusion about the motives behind my thread.
Despite having your posts hidden by me, you persist in posting here.
If you fear the Rosary, then do not spread your confusion among those who do not.
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Now that I think about it, I really do dislike the "luminous" mysteries and have NEVER prayed them.
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I am not Novus Ordo.
I never advocated the Luminous Mysteries.
I never advocated some "New Age" method of praying the Rosary.
I never said anything to contradict Mary's Fatima instructions.
The only mortals in this world who fear the Rosary are the people of the culture of death.
Perhaps you are one of them?
You only seek to cause confusion about the motives behind my thread.
Despite having your posts hidden by me, you persist in posting here.
If you fear the Rosary, then do not spread your confusion among those who do not.
You can attempt to demonize me as an individual as much as you want and it changes nothing because I do not advocate people listen to me - only that they listen to Our Blessed Mother and to do as she has instructed at FATIMA an Approved Apparition with a Miracle backing it up.
You , do not.
What else has to be said.
You can come up with formula after formula on how you think is the best way to make abortion end and then you can attack everyone who disagrees with you out of Pride as you are doing now.
So what have you accomplished? Nothing.
The fact remains - if we as Catholics really want change instead of tooting our own horns to feel important then in humility we will acknowledge that the Mother of GOD has given us the plan already and we simply must follow it.
And if you do not listen to me , I could really care less. Charity is given freely without expecting anything in return. I defer to the Mother of GOD. I am nothing - she is everything. Unlike you I have no grandiose illusions regarding myself.
So instead of perpetuating this dead end thread with any further response - I'll merely say "You are welcome" and move forward.
Pax
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Where did I advocate some new formula
Where did I advocate Luminous mysteries
Where are moderators