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Traditional Catholic Faith => General Discussion => Topic started by: MorrisBDicke on November 20, 2018, 08:13:56 PM

Title: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: MorrisBDicke on November 20, 2018, 08:13:56 PM
Please note before you answer there's more than life to birth. Welfare statists seem to grasp this
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: Vintagewife3 on November 20, 2018, 08:39:55 PM
I’m pro life because I know that all children are a gift from God no matter how they were conceived, and everyone has the right to life. We as Catholics need to make sure that we help donate, volunteer, and help any child that is here on earth because we are called to by God. This also extends to all human life. Everyone matters. 

I wish is was easier for good people to adopt/foster children.
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: Pax Vobis on November 20, 2018, 09:24:19 PM
The topic question makes no sense.  Please rephrase.
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: trad123 on November 20, 2018, 11:31:32 PM
The topic question makes no sense.  Please rephrase.

If I may. . .

 Please explain how you are [not merely] anti-abortion, but pro-life.


Food for thought:

https://catholicvote.org/why-im-through-being-pro-life/


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Hoping to change this perception, John Willke, the President of National Right to Life, came upon a simple solution. He insisted that his fellow anti-abortion advocates stop using the phrase “anti-abortion,” opting instead for the term “pro-life.” Although the term pro-life had been used haphazardly by anti-abortion groups previously, Willke felt it was imperative that the term become the only label for those fighting against abortion.

The label made sense, both in practice and in perception. Abortion is the direct killing of innocent life, so using the term “pro-life” denoted that being against abortion was being for life. Likewise, it was an effective marketing strategy. Pro-abortion forces claimed to be “for” something (“choice”); now anti-abortion forces were for something even more fundamental: life itself.

(. . .)

But like the return of 1970’s fashion, it’s back. Now we hear over and over, from self-proclaimed pro-lifers, that a given issue is a “pro-life issue.

”Racism is a pro-life issue. Poverty is a pro-life issue. Health Care is a pro-life issue. The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, dogged supporters of the seamless garment argument, recently stressed that opposition to current immigration policies is a “life issue.”

(. . .)

As for me, I’ve come to realize that I’m no longer pro-life. Just call me anti-abortion. It’s accurate, specific, and tells the whole world that I’m unabashedly opposed to child-killing.

Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: BTNYC on November 21, 2018, 07:22:24 AM
I doubt anyone here is interested in being placed on the defensive by a poster with all of two posts under his belt, so why don't you just lay your cards on the table, "Morrie?" Are you asking if we subscribe to that Satanist pederast fαɢɢօt Joseph Bernardin's "seamless garment" eyewash? If so, the answer is going to be a resounding "no," as that particular manifestation of the Modernist heresy serves no other purpose than to relativize the particular evil of abortion, placing it on a level with capital punishment, which the Church has ever approved as a justified means of societal self-defense.

Otherwise, what are you implying? What other "pro-life" bona fides are you looking for? Or haven't you noticed a decided under-representation of Traditional Catholics among religiously motivated ѕυιcιdє bombers?
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: Last Tradhican on November 21, 2018, 07:51:39 AM
Pro-Life is a euphemism for abortion. Even the term abortion is a euphemism. You abort a space flight, a computer program...……

The correct term should be Infanticide



Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: Mithrandylan on November 21, 2018, 09:58:07 AM
That's a cute question that might stump someone who's not spent more than two seconds thinking about it :)

The moniker "pro life" means anti-abortion. The term pro-life itself is somewhat politicized and therefore attracts (silly) scrutiny like your post, but the "position" is just a basic moral one rooted in the belief that it's wrong to kill babies. That's all there is to it. 

If you're wondering how someone can be against killing babies but supportive of (say) executing baby killers, think about it for a second and see if you can come up with any differences between the two acts.
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: Neil Obstat on November 21, 2018, 11:35:52 AM
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I doubt anyone here is interested in being placed on the defensive by a poster with all of two posts under his belt, 
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Make that, by a poster who threw together a dozen posts in his first half hour only to find 10 of them deleted right away!
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Reminds me of Vat.II: throw these up on the wall to see what sticks. So only two stuck.
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: Neil Obstat on November 21, 2018, 11:57:44 AM
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ETA:
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Make that, by a poster who threw together a dozen posts in his first half hour only to find 10 of them deleted right away!
      Check his downthumb count: he has -14.... where do those come from? They were on his posts that got deleted. 
      This is the profile of a new member who will either not come back, or if he does, he won't last long. 
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Reminds me of Vat.II: throw these up on the wall to see what sticks. So only two stuck (out of a dozen).
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: cassini on November 21, 2018, 11:58:25 AM
Some great comments above lads. Personally I refer to abortion as baby killing, for that is what it is.
However, I once went to a 'pro-life' meeting filled with Catholics and priests and asked why don't Catholic 'pro-lifers' include the fact that abortions send babies to their deaths without Baptism, preventing them from ever enjoying the Beatific Vision, a fate worse than being murdred after baptism. That might change the minds of some Catholic women thinking about abortion I said.
There was silence in the hall until I was told a priest would talk to me after the meeting. None took up the task. One person came up to me and said Pope John Paul II said that such babies go straight to heaven. I replied why would Catholics try to stop abortion so, as it is the surest way to get into heaven, given the chances are far less if they lived and died.

I came to the conclusion that these 'pro-lifers were humanist pro-lifers. I never attended their meetings again.
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: Neil Obstat on November 21, 2018, 12:19:14 PM
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Pro-Life is a euphemism for [anti-]abortion.
Even the term abortion is a euphemism. You abort a space flight, a computer program...…… The correct term should be Infanticide
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Rather, pro-life is an equivalent term for anti-abortion.
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"Euphemism" has derogatory implications:
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Shoot, heck, cripes, sheesh, gads, kike, nip, wap, kraut, chink, blow and charlie are euphemisms.
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: Neil Obstat on November 21, 2018, 12:30:11 PM
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Some great comments above lads. Personally I refer to abortion as baby killing, for that is what it is.
However, I once went to a 'pro-life' meeting filled with Catholics and priests and asked why don't Catholic 'pro-lifers' include the fact that abortions send babies to their deaths without Baptism, preventing them from ever enjoying the Beatific Vision, a fate worse than being murdred after baptism. That might change the minds of some Catholic women thinking about abortion I said.
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There was silence in the hall until I was told a priest would talk to me after the meeting. None took up the task. One person came up to me and said Pope John Paul II said that such babies go straight to heaven. I replied why would Catholics try to stop abortion so, as it is the surest way to get into heaven, given the chances are far less if they lived and died.

I came to the conclusion that these 'pro-lifers were humanist pro-lifers. I never attended their meetings again.
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What you witnessed is the result of the popular heresy that Baptism is not necessary for sanctification and consequently salvation.
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There wasn't a priest who would discuss the question with you because they didn't want to face up to their own heresy.
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Furthermore, I take it this occurred in Ireland -- if so, it goes toward explaining why abortion was recently legalized there.
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When Catholics don't defend the faith then society at large suffers the effects of apostasy. 
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: songbird on November 21, 2018, 12:32:48 PM
Cassini:  You were amongst the New Order, not catholic group.  the so-called priest, was no priest but a masonic man installed.  He has no Holy Orders and can bring no sacraments.  True!  New Order supports abortion, with $$$$.  Catholic Charities supports abortion, yes!  The so-called dioceses knows this so well, for they are not working for the life of souls.  Oh no!  Don't you know, the dioceses serves State and Federal gov't known as the agenda of Communism, the Error that Our Lady warned us of, over 100 years ago!

And these infiltrators bring no life on a "table" of the new sect mess.
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: songbird on November 21, 2018, 12:49:22 PM
Let's not forget the Pro-life groups, like Human Life International, and Judy Brown.  These people, IF they talk up names of Great New Order pro-life Bishops and such, don't believe them.  Priests for Life, don't believe them.  They are New Order and they Support abortion.  We have proof, through Stephanie Block, that Catholic Charities and programs like Domestic Violence hide Planned Parenthood.

Does this shock you!  I hope so.  No one should talk up anything in the New Order.  They bring no life to souls, for that is not their goal.

I read Federal Grants in the 90's here in AZ.  It is not just this state, it is all of the New Order.  

Read what happened in Europe with the extermination of the catholics, clergy, nuns and churches, etc.  Who took their place?  Only those who would support the state and gov't.  That holds true here as well. That is the Error.  Chapter 12 of Daniel says, the Mass will end.  Yes, sorry to say, but the True Catholic Church has known this, for how long?!  Pope Leo XIII and Cardinal Manning saw it coming.  Sure!  When Luther took away the Precious Blood, sure, there is a start there but look now!  We are at the point of remnant.  
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: Capt McQuigg on November 21, 2018, 01:04:58 PM
Please note before you answer there's more than life to birth. Welfare statists seem to grasp this
Why do we need to explain our position?  Why aren't we asking them why they are in favor of gaining control of other people's money (i.e., the taxation needed for government managed welfare) but not in favor of banning killing babies while still in the womb? 
It sounds like a form of blackmail.  You let me kill this baby or give me one million dollars?  What?  You don't have or are unwilling to part with your million dollars?  Then you must not be pro-life.  It's blackmail.  It's also a false equivalence.  There is no other follow up activities if there is no life to begin with.  The pro-abortion crowd is in favor of abortion (I think because they view it as poking God in the Eye), the reason lefties and pro-abortion people are in favor of welfare plans isn't that they care about others, it is because they want power over others and they want to enrich themselves in the process.  Very very little of our taxes actually do go to poor people. 
Killing babies (whether in the womb or not) is never the answer. 
Title: Re: Please explain how you are just anti-abortion but pro-life
Post by: TheJovialInquisitor on November 26, 2018, 07:30:43 AM
No one has the right to end the life of a child before the age of reason other than God himself.  That's just it.  To do so is murder.