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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Pictures of "Pope" Michael's "Ordination" and "Consecration"
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2019, 10:45:30 AM »
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  • Fair enough. It seems +Thuc was very easily influenced but not mentally incompetent.

    +Thuc was a brilliant man, by most accounts.  I've heard stories from people who were there that he would switch easily between languages when at table with priests from different countries ... and this was after the +des Lauriers and +Carmona/+Zamora consecrations.

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    Re: Pictures of "Pope" Michael's "Ordination" and "Consecration"
    « Reply #16 on: May 16, 2019, 10:48:43 AM »
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  • I believe that the initial ordinations/consecrations performed by +Thuc for the Palmarians must be considered valid even by Father Kelly's criteria.  You had a priest from Econe assisting/witnessing, and it was undoubtedly witnessed by many people.


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    Re: Pictures of "Pope" Michael's "Ordination" and "Consecration"
    « Reply #17 on: May 16, 2019, 10:56:40 AM »
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  • Which consecrations do people have doubts about with +Thuc? and why?
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    Re: Pictures of "Pope" Michael's "Ordination" and "Consecration"
    « Reply #18 on: May 16, 2019, 01:02:06 PM »
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  • Which consecrations do people have doubts about with +Thuc? and why?

    I would have doubts about the ones that are not adequately witnessed or proven.  Anyone can go around claiming that he was consecrated by +Thuc.  Then, subsequent consecrations performed by those men would be doubtful if they themselves had not been adequately trained so that one might have confidence that they could properly administer the (relatively complex) Rites involved.

    +Gueard des Laurier, +Carmona/+Zamora, and even +Dominguez et al. are unassailably valid.  +Guerard des Laurier's consecrations are also undoubtedly valid, as are +McKenna's ... so for instance +Sanborn.  And +Pivarunas->+Dolan are valid.  Now anyone +Dominguez consecrated, or some of those other chumps who probably had little training ... those are doubtful.

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    Re: Pictures of "Pope" Michael's "Ordination" and "Consecration"
    « Reply #19 on: May 16, 2019, 04:47:28 PM »
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  • I believe that the initial ordinations/consecrations performed by +Thuc for the Palmarians must be considered valid even by Father Kelly's criteria.  You had a priest from Econe assisting/witnessing, and it was undoubtedly witnessed by many people.
    I agree, but why do you write “Father” not “Bishop” Kelly? Do you question his orders from Bishop Mendez?


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    Re: Pictures of "Pope" Michael's "Ordination" and "Consecration"
    « Reply #20 on: May 16, 2019, 04:48:40 PM »
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  • I would have doubts about the ones that are not adequately witnessed or proven.  Anyone can go around claiming that he was consecrated by +Thuc.  Then, subsequent consecrations performed by those men would be doubtful if they themselves had not been adequately trained so that one might have confidence that they could properly administer the (relatively complex) Rites involved.

    +Gueard des Laurier, +Carmona/+Zamora, and even +Dominguez et al. are unassailably valid.  +Guerard des Laurier's consecrations are also undoubtedly valid, as are +McKenna's ... so for instance +Sanborn.  And +Pivarunas->+Dolan are valid.  Now anyone +Dominguez consecrated, or some of those other chumps who probably had little training ... those are doubtful.
    For what it’s worth, this mirrors my thoughts on the subject.

     

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